Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Sunday December 28, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Technical > Normally Aspirated Powertrain

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-03-2001, 03:17 PM   #1
mikemo
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 7627
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Palm Harbor, FL
Vehicle:
93 L Wagon
Blue (ish)

Default Crank pully tool / timing belt replacement

I need to do my timing belt on the '93 1.8L Impreza. The manual says that you have to remove the crank pulley, and in order to keep it from moving when you torque on it you need a "special tool" to hold it still. It looks like a wrench with rods sticking out of it to insert into the holes in the crank pulley.

Has anyone done the job without using this tool? Any advice? Yes, I have air tools.

Thanks
Mike M.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
mikemo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2001, 03:27 PM   #2
Albert
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3288
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: San Diego, CA. USA
Vehicle:
1998 Impreza 2.5RS
Rally Blue Pearl

Default

Did the UR pulley which didn't require any special tool. I removed fans and used a breaker bar extension. others have bumped the started with the breaker bar jammed on the floor.
Albert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2001, 06:49 PM   #3
stimpy
Homicidal Maniac
Moderator
 
Member#: 1612
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Austin, TX
Vehicle:
2008 STI

Default

Put the car in 5th gear, have somebody stand on breaks, then have somebody push with all their might on the crankshaft pulley bbolt with a large breaker bar and it should come out. Make sure to keep your plugs in to aid the process. If you pull the plugs, then their is no engine compression, and you rely on the clutch holding (which it doesn't).

-Jon
stimpy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2001, 07:10 PM   #4
mikemo
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 7627
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Palm Harbor, FL
Vehicle:
93 L Wagon
Blue (ish)

Default

I can't do that because it is an automatic trans. Any other ideas?
Thanks
Mike M.
mikemo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2001, 07:17 PM   #5
Kyle Paton
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 1184
Join Date: Mar 2000
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Brooksville, FL
Vehicle:
2012 Impreza
Dark Grey Metallic

Default

Clicking the starter while the breaker bar is in place is how our mechanics do it here. Just make sure it cranks in the OPPOSITE direction.

Or you can use a chain wrench

Kyle
Kyle Paton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2001, 07:47 PM   #6
tmat3
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 2817
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: NYC and Troy, NY
Vehicle:
2001 Impreza 2.5RS
BRP

Default

1) Put the car in D or R.
2) Pull the ebrake
3) Use a strap wrench (basically a bigger version of an oil filter wrench) to hold the crank pulley and unbolt the bolt.
tmat3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-04-2001, 12:42 AM   #7
gavin
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3198
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Portland, OR USA
Vehicle:
2005 GT LTD Wagon
Garnet Red

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Kyle Paton
Clicking the starter while the breaker bar is in place is how our mechanics do it here. Just make sure it cranks in the OPPOSITE direction.

Or you can use a chain wrench

Kyle
That's simply stupid and dangerous. Follow the other suggestions, or save yourself the headaches and get the tool.
gavin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-04-2001, 09:47 AM   #8
mikemo
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 7627
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Palm Harbor, FL
Vehicle:
93 L Wagon
Blue (ish)

Default

I agree, it sounds like that method could cause damage. I have no doubt that some mechanics use this, but they have the resources and the skills to fix it if it breaks. Perhaps this is a good time to test my welding skills and try to fabricate a tool for this.
Thanks
Mike M.
mikemo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-04-2001, 05:14 PM   #9
steve_d
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 315
Join Date: Sep 1999
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Lawrenceville, GA
Default

I managed to break the special tool.

PLUS the holes in my pulley didn't line up with the pins....

a Big breaker bar works great. be sure to change the oil pump seal while you've got it apart. it's also known as the main crank seal. You might also want to check the screws on the back of the oil pump itself...It all depends on how deep you want to get involved. My dealer told me about the screws. One of mine was backed out and two more of the 5 total were loose. I loctited them in....also be sure you have high temp RTV on hand...there's no gasket between the oil pump and block.

I've got a '98 2.5 rs and got the whole thing back together again when the seal started leaking.

You also need to be sure the pulley is torqued back down properly...on my car it was 130 ft-lbs.

with the 1.8 it shouldn't be too bad, at least your cams won't spin when you put the t-belt back on. DOHC cars tend to do this.

I've had mine apart and back together about 5 times now. I can strip it down in about 35 minutes. it's not a hard job, just remember where you put everything.

sjd
steve_d is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-04-2001, 10:35 PM   #10
mikemo
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 7627
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Palm Harbor, FL
Vehicle:
93 L Wagon
Blue (ish)

Default

Steve,
Where did you put the breaker bar to hold the crank pulley?
Thanks
Mike M.
mikemo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2001, 04:35 AM   #11
Greg Sharpe
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 741
Join Date: Jan 2000
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: 'ol Jersey Bastard
Vehicle:
95 GF8 uber-wagon
Arctic White

Default Don't knock that idea ...

I too had to do the timing belt (and main seal) on a 1.8L, but the damned pulley bolt wouldn't come out. I used the breaker bar with a four foot section of pipe on the end, but it didn't budge. I pulled the A/C and raditor to get a straight shot with an air gun, no luck with that method either. I thought about doing the starter bump, but went to the dealer to get their advice. Guess what they suggested? Yup, bump the starter with the plug wires off and a breaker bar on the bolt. First try, it worked! Nuf said.
Greg Sharpe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2001, 10:05 AM   #12
mikemo
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 7627
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Palm Harbor, FL
Vehicle:
93 L Wagon
Blue (ish)

Default

Greg,
When you put it back together, how did you hold the crank pully when you re-torqued to crank pully bolt?

Thanks
Mike M.
mikemo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2001, 01:13 PM   #13
gavin
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3198
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Portland, OR USA
Vehicle:
2005 GT LTD Wagon
Garnet Red

Default Re: Don't knock that idea ...

Quote:
Originally posted by Greg Sharpe
I too had to do the timing belt (and main seal) on a 1.8L, but the damned pulley bolt wouldn't come out. I used the breaker bar with a four foot section of pipe on the end, but it didn't budge. I pulled the A/C and raditor to get a straight shot with an air gun, no luck with that method either. I thought about doing the starter bump, but went to the dealer to get their advice. Guess what they suggested? Yup, bump the starter with the plug wires off and a breaker bar on the bolt. First try, it worked! Nuf said.
I'm not saying that it won't work. I'm saying that you REALLY need to know what you're doing in order to do this safely. You guys really need to remember that there are a lot of people on this board who have no idea what the hell they are doing. If you post suggestions like this, put in the appropriate safety warnings, and make them clear.
gavin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2001, 05:06 PM   #14
Max Umbarger
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1112
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Colorado Springs
Vehicle:
2006 FXT
RBP

Default

I performed this about 1 year ago. I used no crazy pullers or anything. I use a huge torque wrench, suppose you can use a breaker bar also. Then on the flywheel hosing, there is a black rubber cover which you can see the flywheel, and what not. I then used a scredriver to stop the flywheel from spinning. My buddy cranked on the flywheel bolt, and it came off. NOTE: I had to take off the fans, very easy though, and it took some lube and some hard pulling. If you use anything to pry it, it may throw off the balancing of the pulley. That is the downfall. I used 2 screwdrivers to assist but I didn't need to pry hard because I too a lunch break while the WD40 did some work for me. Hope this helps. PM me if you have any furthur questions.

Oh and by the way steve_d is wrong, the cam pulleys will spin, watch so the pulleys don't cut your fingers. Also, the timing belt tensioner will require a vice, or something else with a lot of torque to reset the tension.


Max
Max Umbarger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2001, 03:12 AM   #15
Greg Sharpe
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 741
Join Date: Jan 2000
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: 'ol Jersey Bastard
Vehicle:
95 GF8 uber-wagon
Arctic White

Default

Gavin,

I understand why you're concernced, but this is safe. I doesn't sound safe, but as long as no one has their head in the engine compartment when the starter is tapped, no ones at risk. In fact, the breaker bar didn't even fall off the bolt when I tapped the starter!
Greg Sharpe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2001, 09:31 AM   #16
steve_d
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 315
Join Date: Sep 1999
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Lawrenceville, GA
Default

I apologize for being wrong. a SOHC will spin?? What exactly did it do? Did it come off tension and SPROING!!!! do a half turn like the DOHC cars?

I've never seen one spin...a SOHC car that is.

sjd
who's DOHC's sometimes don't turn.
steve_d is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2001, 01:43 PM   #17
CosmoTheCat
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 3409
Join Date: Jan 2001
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Woolley
Vehicle:
1998 Ram 2500
Green.

Default

Somebody beat me to it. The autos you can get at the flywheel to keep it from spinning.

Unless it's not yours, never use a torque wrench to loosen things. It's not too good for them.
CosmoTheCat is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2004 outback timing belt replacement 240addiction Service & Maintenance 7 06-02-2010 11:13 PM
What else to replace while doing timing belt replacement? the_glassman Normally Aspirated Powertrain 3 04-16-2006 12:58 PM
Special Tools for Timing Belt replacement Gorge Service & Maintenance 6 02-17-2006 05:41 PM
Special tools for timing belt replacement edjack Service & Maintenance 10 12-28-2005 10:41 AM
Special tools for timing belt replacement? 1wickedwrx Factory 2.0L Turbo Powertrain (EJ Series Factory 2.0L Turbo) 2 12-14-2004 01:57 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:24 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.