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Old 12-17-2004, 11:47 AM   #1
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Default GE Megalight plus vs. Osram Silverstar vs. Phillips Vision Plus

I have been running Osram SS for sometime now. While they are decent bulbs I have always felt that they were not what everyone claimed them to be. I feel they were too dim when light output on the ground was compared to others. I know the output and the pattern on the ground has alot to do with the reflector design and such but I wanted to see some other options.

So my search for other bulbs began. I knew about the Phillip Vision Plus but wanted to try others too. I wanted to stay away from any colored bulb, so no "cool blue" or Sylvania SS for me. I don't like how colored bulbs wash out in inclement weather. Recently I found the GE Megalight Plus so I decided to give them and the Phillips Vision Plus a shot.

The Vision Plus is a +50% bulb while the GE is a +60%. Of course these are manufacturer claims so I wanted to do a unscientific test. I got the bulbs from autolamps-online.com. The bulbs came fast, bout a week and was wrapped nicely. The GE is a completely clear bulb and the Phillips had a blue band coating on the tip. I'm guessing this is the Hi beam portion of the bulb?? Other than that they looked like any other H4. Both bulbs are about $20/pair.

What I did was try each bulb for a few nights so I could get an idea of how they performed. I drive about 1 hour a night with a good mix of dark, 2 lane hwy and well lit city streets. I also tried to take pics in the same spot for comparison, but I did not look at the pics until after my driving impressions to see if my impressions matched the pics.

Sorry about the long winded post so far, I will get to my review now...

I tried the GEs first and I noticed an immediate difference. The light on the ground was a little whiter and seems brighter. But the biggest improvement was the pattern on the ground was a bit wider and a little longer, also the foreground lighting was better. While the Osrams did not have any holes or hotspots, it seems the GEs filled the foreground with light better. Next were the Phillips Vision Plus and honestly these were on par with the GEs, in fact I think the width is a little better, giving better side lighting. There were no discernable holes or hotspots. As far as Hi beams, they both put alot of light out but I need to compare this more.

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The pictures dont seem that great but I think they are good for comparisons. I think I need to get a better camera. All pics were taken with the same camera on the same settings. The pics seem to confirm what I saw with the Osram SS, they are dimmer. When the pic was taken, the Osram SS probably had maybe 50-60 hours of operation which may be account for the reduced output. But to be honest, even when they were new they were new they seemed kinda dim, not really an improvement overstock. I really dont know if these bulbs were out of spec or what, but I felt the other 2 performed better. In fact, the Phillips seem a bit wider spread.

So for now, I am keeping the Phillips VP in... I am happy with these.

Another thing I am thinking about is getting some Sylvania SS to try those and my stockers back in to get a better comparison.

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Old 12-17-2004, 12:25 PM   #2
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Thanks for the review. It may help though to label the pics as to what bulbs are being represented
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Old 12-17-2004, 12:38 PM   #3
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Pictures at night are not really useful unless you're trying to light a static location like a basketball court (as I remember in Die Hard ad from a few years back). The problem with light is you need it to be bright enough to see but dim enough to see well into the dark ahead (and to the side) of you. This lets you see telltale things like the black spot of something in the road, the glint in reflectors or the eye of an animal, etc. If you have a lot of bright light, your pupil contracts and you have trouble seeing into the dark which you will enter seconds later.

You're right lens design is the most important thing here (any my 00 RS light pattern was way better than my 05 wagon), but with bulbs you should consider your common environment most. I used to have a long night drive through central Illinois (at least half on rural roads to avoid the boredom of the highway) and fell in love with Yellowstars. Very low glare that let me see reflectors, critters, and retread strips a long way off; I rarely used my highbeams even when it was dry out. However, in any area that was lit with streetlamps, my headlights would be drowned out by the ambient light and visability was terrible.

What I'm saying is the pictures are not as important as how safe you feel driving with each type of headlight bulb. A picture may be worth a thousand words, but that's nothing compared to a description of the mix of environment, individual eye sensitivity, and driving comfort each driver has to experience to be happy with one bulb over another.
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Old 12-17-2004, 01:51 PM   #4
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Thanks for the review. It may help though to label the pics as to what bulbs are being represented
Thanks! Edited w/ labels...hehe post made at end of shift..

Yotsuya- Yea, online pics really are hard to really get a feel of lights, that is why I tried to take pics under the same conditions and location, and with exposure times....things get even trickier. But I wanted to see if my eyes would see the same thing the camera saw.

I agree about the brightness, too bright can be hard on the eyes, especially at night with a high contrast with the light on the ground and the darkness of night. I used to have HIDs and that was one of my issues with them.

What I do like is that both the Phillips and GE has a slightly wider beam pattern to better light up any critters coming my way.

BTW- one reason why I decided to upgrade my lights was because a few weeks ago someone hit a bear on my way to work! I was surprised to see a bear there too! The bear was pretty good size and was a gonner, but in the process it took out 3 cars that did not see it!
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Old 12-17-2004, 04:09 PM   #5
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Thanks very much for the cmparison

Actually besides of these bulbs, I am interested in the GE gold color and the Philips Weather Vision. Both of them are claims to be see better in rain, fog and snow. But are they good at the clear night??
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Old 12-17-2004, 04:23 PM   #6
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Just one addition, If the Osram have been in use for awhile their light output would be degraded compared to the brand new bulbs. How many hours on the Osrams?

Also, I find turning down the dashboard light to a low setting helps too.
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Old 12-17-2004, 05:39 PM   #7
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Thanks very much for the cmparison

Actually besides of these bulbs, I am interested in the GE gold color and the Philips Weather Vision. Both of them are claims to be see better in rain, fog and snow. But are they good at the clear night??
Yellow in general's only going to be useful if you have no other light to drown it out, rain or shine. I used to turn my instrument lights down to get the most out of mine, and let my judgement of driving comfort under prevailing conditions be the speedometer.
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Old 12-17-2004, 10:25 PM   #8
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Yes thanks for the review. However, after a number of years of searching for the ultimate lights and reading reviews I am convinced that it is truly in the eyes of the beholder. While using a new set of Phillips vision plus and then switching to osram silverstar's i found the osram's to be better. At least for my eyes. I am beginning to think that if someone could devise a 100 per cent objective test of lighting (of equivalent wattage) and it showed a clear winner that this winning bulb would still not be good for everyone.
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Old 12-18-2004, 08:20 AM   #9
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I gotta disagree with the "too much light is bad" idea. Ask anyone who has raced at night, or take a look at the light pods on rally cars - or Baja racers.

While it's true that more light will produce more contrast with the darkness beyond, that's not really the issue. Following that line of reasoning to its logical conclusion would have you driving through pouring rain and fog with your lights turned off to have the best chance of seeing into the dark zone!

Using less light, in hopes of seeing into a dark zone that's now closer to your car, is counterproductive.

The light from your lights - reflected from everything of normal reflectance in their illumination zone - has far less effect on your night vision than actual light sources, e.g. oncoming traffic, street lights, lighted signs - and highly reflective road signs, etc., because the actual amount of light taken in by your eyes is far less from the scenery than actual light sources.

You can easily see this effect by looking through a camera that shows exposure settings in the viewfinder.* Pick a spot similar to those illustrated by the photos above, but where you can position the car and camera so there's a nearby streetlight just out of the camera's view while looking down the road. Watch the exposure settings when you move the camera slightly to bring the streetlight into view, and then move the camera farther to bring the streetlight to the center of the viewfinder.

You'll find that the single streetlight has a significant effect even near the edge of the frame. And when it's in the center of the frame - simulating the effect if you glanced at the streetlight, or something near it like a sign - you'll see that the single streetlight radically outshines your beginning view of the terrain lighted by the headlights.

What can really help, as alluded to above, is minimizing other light intrusion into your field of vision - especially your primary focus zone.
  • Keeping the dash lighting as dim as possible - while still being able to read at least critical gauges at a glance - is a good start.
  • So is the old rule of focusing on the fog line / lane line / edge of pavement when meeting oncoming traffic.
  • I've found that using the sun visors to kill overhead lights - especially along otherwise dark roads like freeways - helps significantly.
  • Likewise a lot of road signage seems to be a lot more reflective these days than in years past; avoid looking at bright signs any longer than necessary to know what they're about.

None of which has much bearing on "the great bulb debate" which started this thread As a point of reference I'm using lights with separate low and high Hella 90mm capsules. Bulbs are sourced from Daniel Stern Lighting: low beam - "55W Osram Silverstar Ultra High Efficacy Plus 50"; high beam - "65W Osram Ultra High Output". I'd still like more light, but I'm much happier with this setup than anything previous.

*This assumes that the camera metering is a normal center-weighted pattern - which is closely related to the way light distribution effects your vision. Using one of the newer sophisticated zone reading/averaging systems, or one set to spot reading mode, will not show the effect in the same way as described here.
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Old 12-20-2004, 12:54 PM   #10
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I gotta disagree with the "too much light is bad" idea. Ask anyone who has raced at night, or take a look at the light pods on rally cars - or Baja racers.

While it's true that more light will produce more contrast with the darkness beyond, that's not really the issue. Following that line of reasoning to its logical conclusion would have you driving through pouring rain and fog with your lights turned off to have the best chance of seeing into the dark zone!
This is a classic slippery slope argument. Your "logical conclusion" is no less logical than to argue for mounting a pair of maritime search lights on your roof so you can see better. On my old drives I'd follow the Illinois River and see large tows running through thick fog that used them to spot reflectors on the banks. There are too many cost and legal factors to do that, or even set your car up with a variety of racing lights, which are not generically applied to all dark situations but are chosen for the needs of that particular stage or race. There are cost and legal issues for the everyday driver that racing events do not follow. So lets keep this to the topic at hand; headlight bulbs.
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Using less light, in hopes of seeing into a dark zone that's now closer to your car, is counterproductive.
The distance of the "dark zone" doesn't depend on the bulb, unless they are not made to the requirements specified by lighting standards. Stern's site used to mention that PIAA bulb filiments were wound slightly differently to redirect some extra light to the center to make them appear much brighter for the same wattage. The lens is doing all the light direction, not the bulb, so your "dark zone" remains the same.

There is a point at which less bright light is quite bad for visibility; there's also a point at which too much or the wrong color light is also bad. I believe the range of comfort for each person eyes is different, as are the conditions in which they regularly drive. I favor a less bright bulb because the assumption that "more light is better" is overstated and in my experience not always true*.

The rest is pretty much on track except you can't really use most cameras to substitute for the eye, and that's just with perferal vision.

*Granted my old RS also had Morettes that used European spec lights that are a little different in beam pattern and work very well with reflective objects at long distances. I almost never used the high beams, though, which in addition to the H4s were a set of Tango (H2) driving beams. Even on clear days there was usually too much moisture in the air.

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Old 12-20-2004, 04:34 PM   #11
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See, for MOST people, the difference is dispersed lighting versus spot lighting. An oncoming car (or streetlight) is a spotlight and constricts your eyes. Most headlights/foglights dont put enough light in front of the car to cause your eyes to constrict anough to make a HUGE difference (plus its reflecting off a black surface).

Racers use lots of lights because they HAVE SO MANY. They try to simulate daylight and light up everywhere they need it. Your eyes work alot better in the daylight than they do at night, so the more light you can lay out, the better (to a point of course).
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Old 12-20-2004, 06:33 PM   #12
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Bright light at the locations where headlights are required to shine it is also causing your eyes to constrict and miss the faint areas your headlights also illuminate. The bulbs can make a signifigant difference depending on their specs. Compare a 100W rice bulb to a 55W Narva to a 65W Yellowstar and you'll see a difference. Your lights are reflecting a rough surface and details (or lack thereof, indicating a rock or dead animal, ice patch, etc) will show up. The sensitivity to each is different, and again it depends on the conditions under which each is driven.

Foglights will increase glare, even the stock ones applied to cars these days with iffy beams. They should not be used unless you're either driving at relatively slow speeds, and really aren't needed unless the weather is *very* bad. In well lit areas like towns and cities, there aren't as many glare issues so it's no big deal. In areas of total blackness, you will notice a difference.

When you talk about dispersed lighting, you're talking about the lens, not the bulb. That's another subject altogether. I liked the European lenses I had on the old RS, and am very disappointed that the beam pattern on my 05 WRX is worse than the stock RS lights. The solution here is rather expensive if you either buy Morettes or similar or get a set of stock lights from Europe. That's what I'm considering if work ever requires driving a lot at night again.
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Old 01-04-2005, 01:11 AM   #13
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/\bumping an old thread for my POV on light output.

I've been in situations before where my headlights were WAY too bright for the conditions, I actually turned them OFF (left my running lights on, headlights off) at night because the glare was so bad. This was in a snowstorm, driving to my girlfriends work (<1 mile away). The street lights were better than my headlights because my headlights were just too bright. This was however dangerous, and I would not recommend it.

Point being, there are situations when you dont want a ton of light.

BTW, this is using Silvania Silverstars, because I needed bulbs, and they were cheap at wal-mart. Given tiem I would've ordered OSRAM's.
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Old 01-06-2005, 04:41 PM   #14
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The trick to reducing glare is to remove the blue wavelength's of light from the bulb. Silvania Silverstars do the opposite. You need more yellow light if you want to combat glare from road signs. Get yourself a set of all-weather bulbs, or standard clear bulbs.

If you really want to go over the edge, get some yellow's and run around with your high beams on...you'll see the signs don't produce as much glare and are actually readable.

It's not exactly the amount of light, it's more based on the wavelength of light your eyes are seeing. Blue wavelength's are not so good as your eyes really can't focus on them well.

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Old 01-08-2005, 06:30 PM   #15
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How does the vision plus/silverstar type bulbs compare to the coated bulbs in terms of how white/blue the light produced is? Same question rephrased, do the vision plus/silverstar light produced look more yellow than the coated bulbs?
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Well, they certainly don't look yellow-ish, but they do look more white than blue, while the coated bulbs definately have a blue hue to them.

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How does the vision plus/silverstar type bulbs compare to the coated bulbs in terms of how white/blue the light produced is? Same question rephrased, do the vision plus/silverstar light produced look more yellow than the coated bulbs?

The color of the bulbs (Osram SS, Megas, and VP) when looking at them are a white with maybe a hint of yellow. I have had Sylvania SS and PIAA Super Whites (albiet in another car) and the light from the Sylvania SS were a bit purple and the PIAAs were a tad whiter. The Osram SS, GE megas, and the Phillips VP do not have the blue/purple tint.

Strange thing is when I took a pic of the Osram SS from the front, the light apears blue. While in person the color is no where near the same...again...i may need to upgrade the camera.

Osram Silver Stars (clear bulb no coating)

I may try to take pics of the other bulbs.
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*runs to take a pic of his OSRAM SS's and OSRAM All-Weather's.

...brb

Okay, here we go, image taken with propper white balance and everything (that was probably why they looked blue in your pic...)



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Old 02-06-2005, 06:43 PM   #20
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Update:

I have been running the Phillips Vision Plus since the review and still feel that they are an excellent bulb. I am much happier with them than I was with the Osram Silverstars. I think the Osrams I got may have been out of spec?

I have been fine tuning the aim and the VPs have a very nice spread on the ground and good distance.

I also have had an opportunity to drive in rainy conditions and they performed admirably. Where the Osram SS would be barely noticable on the ground the Phillips VP were still visible.

I would definiately recommend the Philips VP bulb again...that is if they come in your size.
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For what it's worth, I would solidly agree with the above. I've been using the Philips VisionPlus bulbs in my '04 since Oct. '03 and I've been very happy with them. Improved the amount of light being put on the road, and slightly whiter than stock without a goofy blue tinge. Wish they came in a size to fit my other car.
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I would still prefer a legal yellow bulb. I need to find a way to get Osram H1 All-Weather's in the US...

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Hella YellowStars are the best yellow bulb IMHO.....they are cheap and really do perform well.... they are like $6 each from www.rallylights.com
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here is a thread with my pics of the yellowstar in H1

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=711130

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