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Old 07-05-2001, 01:21 PM   #1
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Ok, I'm doing some research on BPM exhaust for an 02 WRX and I'm having trouble figuring a couple things out.

1) what are the differences between the GT, mkii, and mkiii? I checked the BPM website but it isn't very clear on differences

2) I'm assuming each setup is 3" inlet, but what about the outlet, I couldn't find that on the BPM site either
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Old 07-05-2001, 02:28 PM   #2
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I will happy to answer any question you have give me a call at 1-877-782-2789
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Old 07-05-2001, 03:05 PM   #3
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EZ... mate.. don't even think about getting a BPM exhaust.
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Old 07-05-2001, 03:10 PM   #4
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Adrian, why not? what's better, SYMS?
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Old 07-05-2001, 03:16 PM   #5
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Honestly, at this point I would say avoid BPM stuff. The wait is far too long. The quality is very lacking at this point. And who wants to deal with that crap. There are a lot of alternatives at this point. M2, GC8 systems fit the new car. If you PM apexwrx(Milo), he can get you an apexi turbo back system for $850 shipped all in stainless. And if you want an uppipe go through shiv.

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Old 07-05-2001, 03:17 PM   #6
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The reason he says that is 1 out of every x number of BPM exhuast seems to have a problem, like other systems. However, the few that had problems with the BPM choose to post there problems, and the people that have no problems usually dont post. Thus, everyone looking at BPM exhausts get the idea that ALL BPM products are worthless. Go figure, anyting you buy you buy at your own risk.

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Old 07-05-2001, 03:21 PM   #7
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what is the tip diameter on the APEXi setup? I've seen some of there stuff before and it was good quality.

I would rather avoid having a huge 4.5" tip or something like that.
I already get enough jabs from my mustang driving friends because I'm into imports, I don't need to give them a target

subyprez- I know what you mean about only the problems get posted, If everyone only listened to that stuff you wouldn't be able to buy anything!

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Old 07-05-2001, 03:24 PM   #8
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While I have never purchased anything from BPM, I've been reading about a lot of our fellow i-clubbers experiences and most of these are negative. I just think it's not worth the time and the hassle that you might experience if you decide to make a purchase of an exhaust from them. I guess what I am saying is that there are others who make SS turbo back exhausts for the WRX. And you also don't have to shell out as much money (SYMS is quite pricey) And another thing..BPM is hardly known here in Australia. That might not be a big deal to some, but I think it's an indication of the reputation (whether positive or negative) of a company if they are not well known in their home market.
Here are a couple of manufacturers that offer very similar exhausts for the WRX.

MRT
HiTech Mufflers

Take all this whatever way you want.. I just don't want to see you go through what some other have. In the end it is just not worth it, IMO
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Old 07-05-2001, 03:37 PM   #9
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If you want something that'll last a long time, look into the Brullen systems. here's a link for you :

http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthr...threadid=40245
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Old 07-05-2001, 03:49 PM   #10
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Most turboback systems will be equal - most.

If I were you, I'd go with whichever system you can find in stock. Its obvious BPM systems are not in stock anywhere, nor will they ever be for a while. Like I said, go with whatever they have in stock. All makes will be of good quality, and have the same gains (for the most part) so you cant loose.

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Old 07-05-2001, 04:03 PM   #11
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I have a BPM GT system on my car. It is nice. I think though I was one of the lucky ones. I was actually one of if not the first to install the GT system in the US. Others had done the MK what evers. When I first got the exhaust it didn't even have the hangers. So two weeks later I finally got the and a new down pipe to replace the one with the incorrectly located O2, Anyway I just went with the original because I will be installing a Link programmable ECM in the car, and an Air Fuel ratio monitor. The location at the top of the downpipe suits me better. I ordered an cat-less up-pipe from Mike more than a month ago. Mike, a very pleasant guy all about business. I don't blame him fr the fact that the pipes came in with O2 bung instead of EGT bungs! So I canceled my order and ordered on of Shivs up pipes. Josh the moderator (who I still havent meet) bought an Apex down pipe/mid pipe/muffler section from apexwrx(Milo), they fit flawlessly and look great(I have seen the pics). They can be orded from him for $850 shipped. The quality is excellent, fit is excellent, look is excellent. It will take 2months to get. But at least you get that up front not a big it will be here in two weeks 2months later you finnaly get the right stuff. Fark that man, I don't have the time. I have meet some very cool vendors though sense I gotten into the scoobys, BPM problems has allowed me to see what they are about.

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Old 07-05-2001, 04:07 PM   #12
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Look - The BPM is a crude and unshopisticated unit much like one you could have produced at a speed shop - the customer service sucks and the shipping takes forever - - but it is a very good looking unit and it does make the car very fast - much liek everything else for these cars in tha aftermarket availability is a serious issue

I had to wait two months to get the CEL problem fixed and then they didn't include the hardwear so I had to run the o2 sensor in the old bung anyway - and guess what NO CEL - its crazy it sucks and its not a happy deal

I'd hazzard to say that that Suby Prez guy doesn't own a BPM system - he's like an armchair quarterback

If you ahve any other questions feel free to PM = PS mine is a TT
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Old 07-05-2001, 05:45 PM   #13
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We have installed the Hytech turbo back system. Same issues with it as with the BPM. Check engine light came on from the O2 sensor being in the wrong place & we had mid pipe fitment problems.
I have MRT systems coming in, in a few days.
The US cars seem to be a little bit different.
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Old 07-05-2001, 06:16 PM   #14
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Comment about Nathan's post on my closed thread . . . . I agree - support american tuners - I ordered my uppipe from Shiv also . . . .

It figures they closed the thread - BPM advertises on this web site
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Old 07-05-2001, 06:46 PM   #15
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It figures they closed the thread - BPM advertises on this web site
Oh yeah, that's the reason they locked it.
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Old 07-05-2001, 06:55 PM   #16
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Im down for supporting American tuners as much as I can. Sometimes though they just dont make the stuff you need.


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Old 07-05-2001, 06:59 PM   #17
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Hey loudmouth - Wanna see my invoice? Or better yet, take a look at my pics on monday. Yes, thats right..a full BPM exhaust.

You should think before you write, then again...you dont have much to think with.

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Old 07-05-2001, 07:18 PM   #18
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Angry BPM Crap???

I think that you guys should really make the differance between the reasons you have had a bad experience - thought you could do all the work yourselves, tightened the downpipe first etc etc. Not that I do not beleive the fact you had no joy with the BPM stuff but there are lots of people with the BPM turbo back systems that just love them---yes I am one of them--- the reason they are not here talking about it is that they are too busy having fun with the new car. Go back in time and do a search on all the BPM reviews and you will see that nearly everybody is really happy with them. I think that if you also speak to a shop that has installed a few they will tell you that there is a way to do it properly and wrong. Now has BPM fallen to its popularity and can not supply enough units that is possible. As for the look, efficiency and finish every one has raved about it so it is stupid to go and say that it is the same work as a Speed shop. Once again I know this debate will be settled only by a shoot out--I know where my money is going....... PS why did you want the BPM unit in the first place if it was so bad....
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Old 07-05-2001, 08:06 PM   #19
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Look, I have a GT, the wait sucked, the service sucked, but the FIT and PERFORMANCE are excellent. I have had about ten exhausts made at "speed shops" and NONE of them had precision 1/2 flanges, and gorgeous welds. I still would not recommend buying one. Why? BECAUSE of the service, NOT because of the exhaust piece itself. If you can get one from someplace IN the US, then do it, because you won't regret it.
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Old 07-05-2001, 09:48 PM   #20
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I second what conduit said...

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Old 07-05-2001, 11:02 PM   #21
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I just want to apologize to alfriedesq for my comments in the previous "BPM" thread.
His opinions are his opinions. It wasn`t my place to get involved.

I like Mike and he has been very good to me, even before the "BPM incident". I just didn`t see anything he could have prevented.

Anyways sorry.


*On topic*
I haven`t installed my BPM system yet but it looks very nice.
Yes the wait was long.
I`m happy so far, we`ll see when the install occurs if I still fel the same.

Good luck with your decision.

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Old 07-05-2001, 11:19 PM   #22
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I think we all pretty much think the same thing... the BPM is a pretty good exhaust system, but if their customer service, and order lag is just really, really bad. The wait sucks!

Mike is a good guy. BPM has put him in a bad circumstance, but Mike has been really good about keeping us informed. BPM has not held up their end of the bargin. Fact is, they will shoot themselves in the foot this way as there will be plenty of people that will step up and provide the service and products that we need.

One thing that really bothers me about subaru aftermarket shops though; Very few seem to actually keep parts in stock. I understand no one wants to loose their lunch on a new car and all, but really it seems to me that if someone would actually put together a stock of parts, they would have no problem moving them as there are lots of people like me that would like to have what they have ordered ASAP.

This is one thing i really like about Mark @ turboxs. He has a HUGE number of unichips waiting to go with stage 1 kits, and should be ready to roll on them sometime soon. He told me he wanted to have about 20 ready to go before he even listed the item as a green light on his website.

People will totally dig the plug-n-play nature of his system, and the fact that he can say "sure you can have it on your door in the morning" to almost anyone in the states.

My problem with BPM is that the more research i do into their products and rep, the more i see that they are not at all what they claim to be. I think it might be a good idea to listen to the guys in the UK that have had problems with them, and the guys down under that ask "BPM who?"

Just because it comes from the WRX capital of the world, does not mean its the best system for our car.

However if you want a GT system without the problems in waiting for an order, i think Mike@exeter still has one system.

He may at some point have a totally De-cat system that i ordered, but who knows where it actually ended up.

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Old 07-05-2001, 11:32 PM   #23
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I just want to amplify nathan's remarks about Mark at Turboxs - - what a totally professional guy Mark is . . . I had originally planned to get the Link system - but after dealing with mark on the MBC while I was waiting for the Link - I realized that he is the only guy who I have enough confidence in to trust to make the MAP - - (by the way the guys at Link US told me they no longer recommend the LINK - they recommend thier interceptor - whatever that is)

Monster - thanks for your apology - I appreciate that - - we're all on the same team - we want to go fast - - when I get handed a raw deal by arrogent people like BPM and ignored and made to wait so long and get a half assed job - we'll i just get pissed off and now that I got to vent my spleen and now that alomost 900 of us read my plight - I feel a lot better about it all

Now the dilema of which turbo to choose. . . ?
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Old 07-05-2001, 11:45 PM   #24
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Subyprez - - what is it they say about a bird in the HAND??? Like I suspected, you never got your BPM yet - - you never tired to put it in - you never ran it and here you are pontificating to this poor kid who is trying to decide where to fling his cash - - I was right your an arm chair ivory tower stratagist - your view are pure fantasy and theory - mere conjecture and speculation . . .

I may be a loudmouth - but at least I was right - you never got your BPM yet - - wait till you get it then we'll see how happy you are . . . .


and at least i waited till I got the BPM in hand before I vented my spleen

I for one hope it works out well for you - - but don't forget to contact WRXGirl and order one of those free hardware kits

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Wait for the VF30...I still believe that a worked VF30 will kill a PE1820. PLEASE correct me if I am wrong =)
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