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Old 07-05-2001, 02:54 PM   #1
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Question Toyo Proxes T1-S (instead of S-03)

Just replaced the stock Bridgestone Potenza RE92's with a new set of Toyo Proxes T1-S (still on OEM rims).

I was going to go for the S-03's, but I got the Toyos for much cheaper. I had also put a set of these on my last car ('99 Prelude) which had also come with RE92's and I was AMAZED at the difference.

Q: The Toyos don't seem as drastic an improvement on the WRX as they did on my Prelude. I have to check the air pressure and add a few pounds, but I am slightly less impressed than I though I would be.

Should I have gone for the S-03's. I do not autocross, just wanted a good, grippy summer tire with great wet weather handling.

Did I waste my money?
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Old 07-05-2001, 04:01 PM   #2
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The Toyo T1-S are very good tires. They are extremely sticky for their treadwear rating, which is better than even the Dunlop 9000's, which are currently my favorite tires. If the Toyo T1-S were as cheap as Dunlops, I would certainly use them instead...

I have heard that a lot of people are disappointed with the new S-03's...
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Old 07-05-2001, 05:11 PM   #3
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Actually, one person has been disappointed, and none of them have been running the correct pressure (which is much higher than the SO2PP, which has a rim protector).

I'm sure it's a good tire, but keep in mind that the treadwear, traction temp, etc. ratings are determined by the manufacturer and are really only useful in comparing tires of the same brand. The Parada is an excellent example (claiming treadwear of 300, and most people don't get more than about 20k miles on them).

All that being said, the SO3PP is still the best summer/wet weather street tire you can buy. BTW, they are OEM now on the Z8 and the new Lotus (dealer available-only 385/30/19s...MAMA!)
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Old 07-05-2001, 05:52 PM   #4
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If you are not autocrossing, the T1-S is fine. It is amazing in the wet, and good on dry land. I autocrossed them however, and my T1-S's that I thought were the best tires ever made suddenly turned into horrible tires. They lasted forever though. I had about 30,000 miles and 10 autocrosses on them before they wore out.

But if you do any autocrosses at all, get better tires.
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Old 07-05-2001, 11:37 PM   #5
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I have a set of TOYO T1s for sale for cheap if anyone is interested. Excellent tire.
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Old 07-06-2001, 07:15 AM   #6
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The Toyo T1s is perfect for the WRX.
Great in the rain and dry.
I've put a few thousand miles on mine
and they have never done anything bad.
The pressures are set to around 31 PSI.
If you feel the tires aren't cornering well
(squealing in protest too easily)
it may just be the wheel alignment.
1 degree negative camber on the fronts
works well.
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Old 07-06-2001, 03:47 PM   #7
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The T1S is a good tire for the money --- but they're not in the same class of grip as the S-02, S-03, Pilot etc.

There are many tires better than the RE92, so not surprising you noticed an improvement.

I'm a firm believer in buying the "right" tire rather than the "best" tire (although I frequently advocate spending as much as you can afford) -- if cost is important, or treadwear, or ride quality, then these things are going to affect your decision - so you probably did the right thing.

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Old 07-06-2001, 11:38 PM   #8
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Sorry, but I personally hated the T1S. It wasn't the tread I hated, it was the dreaded soft sidewalls!! No matter the pressure used, 31-40psi. This was on a turbo'd GT with 215/45/17's and running -2 deg. camber in the front and -1.5 in the rear.

Returned them, and now running on 215/45/17 Yokohama AVS Sports. Huge improvement in my mind. Stiffer sidewalls, great in the rain, and huge amounts of grip. Treadwear is only at 180, but with over 6K there aren't any major signs of wear, even with my alignment settings. Oh and they work in the snow too. Got stuck in a freak snowing on an Oregon mountain pass.

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Old 07-07-2001, 01:50 PM   #9
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I ran the T1S on my turbo'd Si and I loved them. They are one of the best tires on the market in my mind, they are even used on all the cars in the Speedvision tourning car championchip. I have ran on the S03pp as well as many ohter tires. I think it all comes down to the driver themselves, tires effect the cars handling just as much as springs and shocks. I believe that you just need to find the right set up for you. There are going to be just as many people that hate the toyo's as love them, the same for other tires as well.....
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