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Old 12-21-2004, 12:33 PM   #1
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Arrow Got cold weather fuel leak? How about a garage day?

My blue wrx stinks so bad I need to fix it. Iím sure SOA wonít be offering any help, so Iím planning to get the two parts and do the job myself. Since so many of us seem to be having this problem I thought a garage day might be a good idea. Anyone interested? Sounds like a straightforward job that will be pretty easy after the first or second one.

I can host down in Middleboro, two garage barely insulated garage but I do have a propane heater. Iíd like to do this sooner than later, though weekends are getting a bit tricky what with the holidays.

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Old 12-21-2004, 12:34 PM   #2
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Just a thought: some of you may be able to get SOA to take care of this, and if you can by all means let them do it. However, a TSB is not a recall, theyíve made it clear to a number of people that this is only covered under the 3/36k warranty. Not drivetrain, not emissionsÖ
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Old 12-21-2004, 12:38 PM   #3
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if you get this going on a weekend I'd probably swing by and maybe learn something
I bought my car with a AEM CAI on it - I'm not having any problems with it but am thinking about seeing what it takes to go back to stock. What sucks is they cut the sheet metal where the airbox attaches too so there's one BIG hole instead of the two small ones. Do you have a welder?
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Old 12-21-2004, 12:44 PM   #4
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I'd be down. I get a slight fuel smell on cold starts, not just running rich, it's definitely underhood.
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Old 12-21-2004, 12:47 PM   #5
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i'd be down as well, i think i'm starting to see fuel vapor waves in my car when i turn the heat on. Of course i'm going to at least try to see if subaru will cover the job first.
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Old 12-21-2004, 01:00 PM   #6
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What's the deal?
I was just about to post "Why am I smelling gas on cold start up's" Can anyone fill me in?

Thanks...
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Old 12-21-2004, 01:10 PM   #7
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Search for "cold fuel leak tsb", then settle back for a few days worth of reading.

Cliff notes: intake manifold needs to come off to replace one rubber hose and one metail one. SOA sucks and feels this isn't their problem.
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Old 12-21-2004, 01:11 PM   #8
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I'm up for it. I pulled the intake manifold last year to do it, but didn't have the right parts, and now I'm leaking over cylinder three again.

Make sure you get new intake manifold gaskets (the ones from the manifold to the TGVs), too.

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Old 12-21-2004, 01:13 PM   #9
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I've got the parts to fix this problem. I purchsed them to put on my rex b/c of the same problem last winter but never got around to it, then traded the car in for the LGT. I remember waiting 2 months for the parts too b/c they were on back order. If anyone would like them, I'll sell them to you for what ever subaru is asking (I don't remember) Let me know, and I'll gladdly get them to you.

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Hose-7.5x13.5x94 #807707140
Pipe CP-Fuel Rtn #17544AA134

No gaskets though, never ordered those.

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Old 12-21-2004, 01:13 PM   #10
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What's the deal?
I was just about to post "Why am I smelling gas on cold start up's" Can anyone fill me in?

Thanks...
From my understanding the cold weather makes the seals dry out/shrink up. I think the problem was only on the 02's though.

Sorry its not that great of an answer but it is the basic one.


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Old 12-21-2004, 02:38 PM   #11
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I was just thinking this morning how nice it is not to have this problem anymore. My car has been rather angry about waking up in the morning, but at least it doesn't stink anymore.

For any that don't remember, mine was covered under a "one time goodwill gesture" under the 36k warranty. Subaru doesn't like modded cars.

The problem was fixed starting with the 03 models (or at some point during that year) I believe.
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Old 12-21-2004, 02:45 PM   #12
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Yeah.

What pisses me off is that by the time Subaru came up with a TSB to fix it, I was already well beyond my 36k warranty.

Same goes for the seat bolt recall. I paid over $100 for a new seat rail after my old one got destroyed by the bolt that kept coming loose.

Very, very frustrating.

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Old 12-21-2004, 02:48 PM   #13
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I can't believe there is no recall for a leaking fuel issue tsk tsk SOA
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Old 12-21-2004, 02:55 PM   #14
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I'll pass...I'm hoping my car catches on fire.
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Old 12-21-2004, 03:03 PM   #15
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That would be a best case scenerio for me too.
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Old 12-21-2004, 03:25 PM   #16
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haha, you know i was thinking the same thing last night. what if i had a passenger in the car that just lit up a cigarette while i had my heat blasting? lol it'll warm the car right up.
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Old 12-21-2004, 03:37 PM   #17
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I had it too. Smelled really bad this morning. I got an appointment to get it looked at Rally Subaru next monday. I have read that if you call SOA and complain and mention the service bulletin they will cover the cost of the repair. We'll see what happens.
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Old 12-21-2004, 04:32 PM   #18
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I'll pass...I'm hoping my car catches on fire.
Can I park next to yours when it goes up? I am in serious need of a carbque too.
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Old 12-21-2004, 04:36 PM   #19
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I had it too. Smelled really bad this morning. I got an appointment to get it looked at Rally Subaru next monday. I have read that if you call SOA and complain and mention the service bulletin they will cover the cost of the repair. We'll see what happens.
Carney needs to done also, how many miles you have Paul?
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Old 12-21-2004, 04:36 PM   #20
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You're gonna have park next to Nate, cuz he's already got a spot reserved next to me.
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Old 12-21-2004, 04:38 PM   #21
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hahah let's burn a bunch!
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Old 12-21-2004, 04:51 PM   #22
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Here are some directions from the general forum on how to fix the problem..sounds complicated:

"About the parts numbers. I will try to find my receipt. Anyway, I can tell you that the TSB number that exists here on NASIOC taken from the Subaru Technical site is not right. SOA might have changed it. All you have to do actually is to call SOA and tell them that you want to apply the TSB to your car. They will give you the right TSB number.
The most time consumming part in the half-installation that I did was removing the 2 green injector shields.
Also, be aware that the dealership won't have the TSB kit in stock, 2 places didn't, over here in Long Island. It will take 2-3 days for them to get it.
The procedure, under my info is done under the 36 K warranty and not under the 60.
To me, the most depressing part in this procedure was that not only it's difficult to take out all those screws and you have to deal with numerous connectors, but then, 2 hours later, it gets messy, and you have to take out the antifreeze tank, and the fuel lines obviously and it even seemed at one point that an A/C line was in the way.
That's where I drew the line! (I was wrong to do that, of course).
I can easily see this as an all-day procedure with great potential for something to go terribly wrong. I even can see this as one of those things where the mechanic at the dealer can screw up by leaving something loose.

Here is some knowledge I have, which some of you might already know.

The first thing to do is to depressurize the fuel system. There is a green connector hidden under the passenger side carpet just to the side, at that plastic cover. You disconnect it and then start your car and run it in idle until it runs out of gas because the fuel pump is off. That will take 5 minutes or so.
Then you start the work, the easy way to get access and remove the intercooler is to loosen the 2 intercooler mounts and to remove the BOV, without ever attempting to take that hose off of it.

Those 2 grey/green brackets that cover the injectors have to come off. There are 1-2 screws on the back side of the engine, on each side, that you have to make sure not to miss. The brackets come out by tilting up a bit and working them out towards the back of the engine.
When you finally get to remove the manifold, be carefull with the intake ports. Use some king of paper plugs to cover them because if you drop anything in there.... It's better you don't drop anything in there, actually.
Good luck, people post your fixes..
Vlad"
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Old 12-21-2004, 05:25 PM   #23
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i just went to the dealership, i'm at about 38k so it wasn't covered and they said it was going to be really expensive so i told them to.....nevermind. but the good news is that after today's warm-up, there wasn't a smell.....out of nose, out of mind.
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Old 12-21-2004, 05:41 PM   #24
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I noticed this fuel smell also and took it to subaru of nashua and the guy noticed discoloration on the engine near the fuel rails and told me people had these problems last year also. so he is putting new fuel rails in and it's covered under my warrenty. it's an 02 wrx but it's only 4 1/2 months old to me and i only have like 32k miles on it. the repair would have cost me around 350$ or more for anyone who doesn't have a warrenty or wants to know the approx. cost
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Old 12-21-2004, 07:40 PM   #25
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Well thanks for all the input, and it sounds to me that SOA should foot the bill on this one.

If they have "fixed" the problem on later years, why would they not offer to fix prior years... I had a 99 Legacy wagon that had a ton of tranny issues starting @ 14k and it took them almost a year to make a call on the final repair.

I think I still have all my so called local NE reps info. Looks like it is time to give him a ring. I'll let you all know what I hear.
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