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Old 12-24-2004, 09:48 PM   #1
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ok I live in Virginia Beach and we get between 1-3 days a year of snow (1-4 inches), so that is not a real issue for me. Rain is the only real foul weather I have to worry about.
I'm looking at several different tires at the moment.
BFGoodrich KDW2 @ $114
Bridgestone RE750 @ $108
Pirelli Pzero Nero @ $97
and right now am on RE950 with unsatifactory tire noise towards the latter half of there life, thinking that the RE750's will do the same.
Let me know what you guys think.
Thanks, Micah
these tires will also be seeing auto-x action every once and a while too.
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Old 12-25-2004, 01:27 AM   #2
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anyone have any input?
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Old 12-25-2004, 01:34 AM   #3
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I have the p-zero nero m+s - excellent tire. quiet and very grippy - esp. when compared to the RE92's or the RE950's on my wifes car. I have only driven with them light snow/ice thus far, but they did just fine. Haven't used the other tires you mentioned.
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Old 12-25-2004, 03:04 AM   #4
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I had the re730's on my WRX wagon and I think they were a great tire (I believe the 750 is it's successor and is very similar)... Road noise wasn't too bad (much better then the re040 which is OEM on the 350z) and they had scary limits for a long lasting tire in the dry, and felt very balanced in the wet...

Took 'em out once in about a foot of snow to rescue a friend who got stuck, and well... got stuck..

Main reason I wouldn't go back to the 750 is price -- ~$140/tire on the rack and I can get Azenis Sports or Dunlop SP Super Sport Race for $120 (i'm running 225/45/17s)..

The Nero and KDW2 both have lower treadlife ratings (usually a good sign for dry grip ), but not having driven on them I can't really compare -- although the KDW2's look damn good no? Cooler looking then the Azenis Sports even (which is always important )...

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Old 12-25-2004, 12:55 PM   #5
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thanks for the input
jmolaver, the Pzeros have a tread wear of 8.7 and the
750's have 8.3
kdw2's have 8.0
so how do you figure the pzeros have lower treadlife?, or am I just reading this all wrong?
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Old 12-25-2004, 02:52 PM   #6
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thanks for the input
jmolaver, the Pzeros have a tread wear of 8.7 and the
750's have 8.3
kdw2's have 8.0
so how do you figure the pzeros have lower treadlife?, or am I just reading this all wrong?
<cough> n00b <cough>

Just kidding this stuff is kinda confusing....

OK the numbers you have up there are an average of survey responses from people on tirerack -- which can be very useful, but sometimes are total BS... I was referring to the UTQG rating (Uniform Tire Quality Grade), which is a rating supplied by the manufacturer (by law) telling you 3 things; treadlife, traction, and temperature resistance.

A full explanation of UTQG from tire rack
http://tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/general/utqg.jsp

The KDW2's spec sheet...
http://tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp?m...ce+T%2FA+KDW+2
UTQG of 300/AA/A

Pzero's spec sheet...
http://tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp?m...del=PZero+Nero
UTQG of 220/AA/A

and the re750's...
http://tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp?m...=Potenza+RE750
UTQG of 340/AA/A

To give you some reference the Michilin Energy MXV4 (a popular all season that comes OEM on VWs, BMWs, etc) has a rating of 400/A/A while a Hoosier AS03 (a popular competition tire) has rating of 40/C/A.

Good luck, and let us know what you get, and how you like it
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If you are gonna get all boned up on treadwear ratings.....you have already lost the war....

If you have 'winter' there......and by that I mean any period of temperatures below ~40F that last more than a week.....you need AS tires.

The PZero Nero M&S are, IMO, a hard act to follow if the above is true.

The above post is in error if it is refering to the M&S version of the PZero Nero.....which has a UTQG of 400 AA A

There are 2 versions of the PZero Nero....one is M&S...one NOT.....
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Old 12-25-2004, 04:02 PM   #8
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ok cool I know that the treadlife is written on the side of the tire and thought that tire racks rating of tread wear was suppose to be tread life...noob mistake...
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If you are gonna get all boned up on treadwear ratings.....you have already lost the war....
I was only letting him know the difference between actual treadwear / UTQG ratings rather then strictly going by reviews on tirerack...

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If you have 'winter' there......and by that I mean any period of temperatures below ~40F that last more than a week.....you need AS tires.

The PZero Nero M&S are, IMO, a hard act to follow if the above is true.
Meh -- In AWD with decent judgement I think I could handle 3 small storms a year on summer only tires - my brother lives just outside DC and runs Azenis year round on his RWD 350Z... I just got some Falken ZE-512s which are a great bang for the buck.. But I live in the the woods/hills of CT and have an unpaved driveway, no surviving the winter on 070s...

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The above post is in error if it is refering to the M&S version of the PZero Nero.....which has a UTQG of 400 AA A

There are 2 versions of the PZero Nero....one is M&S...one NOT.....
Yea... that's why I included those links...
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Old 12-25-2004, 06:10 PM   #10
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sorry, I meant to post the M+S Pzero, left that slight detail off which makes a big difference in the two tires.
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Old 12-25-2004, 06:12 PM   #11
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i have the 750. i bought them at costco. reasons to buy them - high tread life. they are unusable (imho) below 40 degrees. they are a summer tire and should be treated as such!
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