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Old 12-30-2004, 11:00 AM   #1
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So, I got a dog for christmas. His name is Killian, he is two months old, and he is a black german shephard.



Do you guys here have any tips you can give me on how to train him? He is very playful and is not scared of anything, but I am having a really hard time teaching him to pee outside. So far I try to give him a treat, and verbally encourage him everytime he does his thing outside of the house. He still pees everywhere though... I know it takes time but wanted to see if there's experts here that can give me some tips...

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Old 12-30-2004, 11:02 AM   #2
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It takes time..just wait until he starts tearing up your couch and eating the siding from your house.
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Old 12-30-2004, 11:06 AM   #3
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nice dog.
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Old 12-30-2004, 11:10 AM   #4
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Aww... congrats on dog!

Seriously, if he's your first dog, you both need to enroll in a puppy training class, such as those offered at Petsmart or a local shelter/kennel. I had no idea what I was doing when we got Turbo and the Petsmart class showed us both the way.

Hopefully gonna be picking up another doggie today.
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Old 12-30-2004, 11:12 AM   #5
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You have to watch him ALL THE TIME for at least the first 2 weeks of ownership. Keep him in the room with you at all times and try to keep your eye on him.

Everytime you see him slouch like he is going to pee, jump up and say "NO" and quickly run him outside and when he goes in the grass says "good boy, good boy" and then bring him back inside. Do this for about 2 weeks and he'll be scratching at the door when he has to go.

This is the method I used for my alcoholic bunny, she learned in less than 2 weeks to only go poo and pee in her cage.

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Old 12-30-2004, 11:14 AM   #6
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Somebody chop a pancake on the bunny.
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Old 12-30-2004, 11:15 AM   #7
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Here are the three fundamental tenets to making any dog a good dog:

1. Consistency. Once you tell him to do things a certain way, that must always be the way. Don't let anyone override what you do, and don't let people pick him up, unless you want a 100-lb lap dog, once he's full grown.

2. Socialization. Have him meet as many other people and dogs and is possible, so that he calms around other people/pets, and learns to deal with surprises.

3. Space. He needs his own space, be it a crate, or a corner of the room where his bed and toys are. And don't think of a crate as inhumane. Properly used, a crate will become a dog's happy home, as it merges well with their den instinct.

The best books I have seen are by the Monks of New Skete. One is called The Art of Raising a Puppy, and the other is How to Be Your Dog's Best Friend. We used both of them to raise our husky/akita mix, and in 14 years, he's been an excellent dog. No destructiveness, no house soiling, no nothing.

Oh, and housebreaking is easy, and hard. I hope you have a strong back, though. See, male dogs don't hike until they are about six months old or so. Before that, they pee like female dogs, where they just squat and pop. So, what you have to do is walk around behind your dog, usually after meals or after he wakes up. When he stops to piddle, scoop him up, run him outside, set him down in the approved place and use a command of your choice. Mine was, "Do your business." In about two weeks, the pup should be pretty reliably house-trained. He still won't have much bladder control, but think about how you would feel if, just as you started taking a whizz, some hand descended from the sky, picked you up and carried you away. You'd learn how not to make that happen pretty quickly.

Dogs also need lots of exercise, and jobs to do. They want to be part of the pack, and a productive part of the pack. We make a point every day of, before leaving for work, telling our dog "Okay, be a good watchdog." He really likes that.

Oh, and the MOST important thing is to establish who the alpha dog is. The Monks of New Skete books tell you how and what to do to accomplish this. Once you are the alpha, all is well.

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Old 12-30-2004, 11:15 AM   #8
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Train him to do this.......



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Old 12-30-2004, 11:21 AM   #9
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Use commands in a different language.


I don't know if that is a good plan or not I just think it would be cool to have a dog that obeyed commands in German or something.
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Old 12-30-2004, 11:28 AM   #10
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the alcholic bunny is funny
STR8OUT, I have been trying to do that I guess it just takes time...
I have had him for 2 weeks, and he has never been alone since we got him. We take him outside as often as we can, and he already has a spot that he likes to mark everytime but still pees in the house when he is in.
Thanks guys, keep the responses coming. I am very serious about training this dog. I will definately look into the petsmart classes. I want to start teaching him some basic commands but wasn't sure if it's not too early for him? Also I am assuming the earlier you start training him the faster he is going to learn...right? It's just that he is soooo smal now and I don't think he knows whats going on aroung him. His ears are not straight up, and I am not sure if I should do something to fix that? Like maybe tape them up or something?
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Old 12-30-2004, 11:32 AM   #11
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the commands in different language is easy, as english is my second language.... but right now I am not going to try and confuse him with bulgarian commands heh
gtguy, good info it's appreciated very much.
I wasn't expecting so many responses.

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Treats too...i forgot to mention dogs LOVE treats. I would add treats to his rewards when he does things right.

In turn this means that you cant be giving him treats all the time for doing nothing, you have to make sure he knows he has to earn them.
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Old 12-30-2004, 11:41 AM   #13
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About the treats. I do give him treats but I don't think I am doing it right. I give him a treat everytime he pees outside, but I also give him treats for no obvious reason. For example if I call his name and he comes, he doesn't really come because I called his name, but because I got his attention. Should I give him a treat in that case? Should treats be truly deserved? He is so small and if treats are to be given only when he does things right he wont be getting too many treats.
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remember...NEVER hit the dog!

Our GSD learned in about 3 days to go outside (have a doggie door), but she still had accedents in the house. Took another 2 weeks to have no accidents in the house.

Also... get a crate now. One of the best methods for training is a crate...secure feeling for them and keeps them out of trouble when you are out. This is good for potty training and so they don't eat everything in your house.

Google "crate training".
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Buy some books on training. YOu will learn alot. It does take some time. Don't be afraid to use some tough love too. You have to establish your dominant position with the dog.
Also think about dog training school. It may cost a few pennies, but from what I have observed they are worth it.
Another option is to send me the puppy and for a hefty fee I'll take care of it. (the least cost effective option)

Whichever way you go, just remember that it takes a lot of patience and time.
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About the treats. I do give him treats but I don't think I am doing it right. I give him a treat everytime he pees outside, but I also give him treats for no obvious reason. For example if I call his name and he comes, he doesn't really come because I called his name, but because I got his attention. Should I give him a treat in that case? Should treats be truly deserved? He is so small and if treats are to be given only when he does things right he wont be getting too many treats.

This works. If you look at some training books on dog behavior, you'll see that when you call his name and he looks your way...he's learning. That's good. Always praise them for doing something you want them to or if you see them thinking about it.
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remember...NEVER hit the dog!

Our GSD learned in about 3 days to go outside (have a doggie door), but she still had accedents in the house. Took another 2 weeks to have no accidents in the house.

Also... get a crate now. One of the best methods for training is a crate...secure feeling for them and keeps them out of trouble when you are out. This is good for potty training and so they don't eat everything in your house.

Google "crate training".
i agree crate training is very good
i would suggest buying some books too. dog training for dummies is a good book that has alot of good info for all things involved in training.
be patient..one year of hard work on your part will make up for its self with a loyal dog and best friend
also of course never hit your dog and if your dog does do something bad, never tell him to come to you and do something he takes as negative, go to him. you want your dog to associate the "come" command with some thing
pleasurable and good. so in the case where you need him to come to you quick..(if hes in the road or another dog is coming) he will not hesitate
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Old 12-30-2004, 11:54 AM   #18
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I have a 19 month old that we trained, and learned a LOT doing it.

1) Crate training is a MUST. Buy a book on crate training and use it.
2) NEVER physically punish your dog. It can lead to submissive peeing, which will be a terrible thing for both of you.
3) Try to use EASY key commands. I use "Go pee" and "Go poop!" for my dog. Works well. Reward immediately after they obey.
4) If the dog pees or poops inside, try to get them outside as fast as possible WITHOUT scaring them. It will help make the connection.
5) If your dog messes inside, it's not their fault; its yours. Puppies need constant supervision.

Additionally: Never give you dog chocolate, onions, grapes, or raisins.
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I completely agree with giving your dog a command to make him do his business outside. My dog will now go on command, even if he's gone in the last 20 minutes (it's great if you're about to get in a car for a long trip). The other thing we discovered was that by hanging a bell on the door, he could alert us to when he needed to go outside. Just ring the bell everytime you're taking him out and eventually he'll pick up on it. Just beware the days when he abuses the bell privilege.

Good luck.
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There's already a lot of good advice here, and it sounds like you are generally doing the right thing. Just keep in mind, that at 2 months a pup doesn't have really good reliable bladder/bowel control, just like a human baby. Even if he is "learning" not to pee inside, he may not quite be physically able to "hold it" all the time yet. So regardless of what you are doing, with a puppy there are always going to be a few accidents. Just stick close to him, watch for signs when he is getting ready to go, get him outside, and reinforce when he does go outside. Take him out every hour or so whether he is "telling you" he needs to go or not - that bladder is small and weak, and you want to give him every opportunity to go outside where you can reinforce the behavior.

Treats are good, but don't flood him with treats. You don't want him to be expecting treats everytime for just doing what should be normal good dog behavior. Start to work in lots of verbal and physical praise/reinforcement.

Socialization is the single most important thing for raising a healthy dog. Introduce him to new people and dogs at every opportunity. Get him to dog parks. Let him learn from other dogs how to behave (with you supervising of course so he doesn't get totally beat up or hurt). Expose him to new things - cats, traffic, beaches, rain, lod noises - all this stuff will get his little brain working and making the right connections. This is the most critical developmental period for a dog. Lots of exercise to get him tired - a tired dog is a good dog.

Leash train him now while he's young, or he will be dragging you around like a truck when he's bigger, and he will be much more difficult to handle then. Basically, when he pulls, you stop and don't proceed until he stops pulling. You want him to learn that when he pulls, he doesn't get anywhere.

Work on good reliable recalls, it's critical for his own safety that he come when you call him. Basically, just start reinforcing him when he comes when you call, which it sounds like you are already working on. You can also work on this with another person and a long lead, but that can come a little later. You want it to be so exciting and wonderful for your dog whenever he responds/comes, that he will stop chasing a kitty to come back to you.

Don't hit the dog. Although in some cases it may stop certain behaviors, it may create other problems, it just confuses him. And you don't want a relationship with your dog based on fear or violence. The whole aggression/dominance thing, personally I think that is overemphasized. Not all dogs are focused/obsessed with dominance, so don't assume you always must be "showing him who's boss."

Definitely take the puppy class at Petco or Petsmart, it's like $30 and gives you lots of good basic techniques. The best book I've read on the topic is "The Other End of the Leash" by Patricia McConnell. She's really fantastic, gives a ton of great insight and real world examples. I just tried a new technique from that book with my big dog couple weeks ago, and I was literally stunned by how well it worked.


Most important, have fun and treasure your dog. Dogs are the GREATEST, and you will be amazed at what he can give back to you.
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I cannot stress how strongly I feel about the Monks of New Skete, just like GtGuy. It's an easy read, and they specifically train German Shepards too, so everything they say will be applicable in your case, even the breed-specific stuff.

My half German Shephard was trained using this book, and it taught me AND MillerDog how to behave around each other.
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My wife and I are long time German Shepherd owners. We currently have two neutered males, ages 11 yrs and 18 mos. Good advice so far. I would add a couple of other ideas. A German Shepherd must be trained and trained properly. There is nothing worse than not being able to control your dog or worse yet being afraid of him. If he is your first dog you may want to consider professional help. Your breeder or local akc or gsd club could help. The New Skete books are great. I have trained three shepherds using a book called the Koeller Method of Dog Training. It's one of the "bibles" of dog training. It is no longer in print but you can get a used copy at a barnes & nobles or borders. You will need to put in at least three months of two a day training sessions for basic training. Dogs do not train themselves. Even if you take him to a trainer or classes you will need to do the majority of work with him. Unless you are going to breed him, he should be neutered. This will make him a much better house pet. A final suggestion is to socialize him. Take him anywhere there will be people (strangers) of different ages. Get him in contact with as many different people as possible. A lot of pet stores allow you to bring in pets. That a good place to start. Encouarge people to genlty approach and pet him. Puppy socialization classes are a good way to get him around other dogs too. Enjoy the new member of the family.
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Unless you are going to breed him, he should be neutered. This will make him a much better house pet.
Oh yeh, definitely neuter. It's better for health AND behavior. If you love dogs, DO NOT BREED. There are too many homeless dogs being euthanized everyday in shelters because we can't find enough homes. Don't contribute to the overpopulation problem.
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