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Old 01-01-2005, 09:28 PM   #1
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Wow,

I installed this yesterday. I'm not modding my Sti much performance-wise but I did think the factory shifter could be improved. I didn't want to spend $300+ for the factory short throw shifter either. This shifter is awesome. It allows for quick, postives shifts in every gear.
The install was very easy. It's harder than a WRX due to the reverse lockout on the Sti, but nothing patience and a helping hand can't solve.

FWIW, I've driven an '05 Sti with a factory short throw shifter and it is an improvement over the standard shifter. However the Kartboy is better then that. Just be sure you get the bushings with it!

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Old 01-03-2005, 06:39 PM   #2
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got mine too, just gotta install it, how long did it take to install...
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Old 01-03-2005, 08:11 PM   #3
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got mine too, just gotta install it, how long did it take to install...
Depends on your experience, but it took my friend and I just under an hour to do the shifter & bushings. A friend helps out allot removing & installing the reverse lockout cable and saves you from possibly damaging the plastic trim around the roll pin holding the cable in place,

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Old 03-05-2005, 04:26 PM   #4
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Took me about 90 minutes. Highly recommended.

I've also got the TiC bushing, but haven't installed yet (garage still too cold).
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Old 03-05-2005, 10:41 PM   #5
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I have a feeling that a lot of people haven't installed the TiC bushings due to cold garages, but I have a feeling that you'll really like them once you have them in.
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Old 03-06-2005, 09:16 AM   #6
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Clint - you know I'll post my feedback once I get the chance. The installation is half the fun, and I hate working in the cold.

Your bushings aren't lonely - here are some other items sitting in the garage or basement:

- UTEC
- Tuner
- Boost gauge + housing
- Stealthback (the muffler went on already)
- Walbro 342
- Typhoon
- plus various other bits/pieces like hangers, gaskets, speedbleeders, fluids, O2 fix, etc.)

Not to mention I can't wait to put the stock rims w/ RE070's back on!
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Old 03-07-2005, 06:37 PM   #7
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I have a feeling that a lot of people haven't installed the TiC bushings due to cold garages, but I have a feeling that you'll really like them once you have them in.




Yeah, it's even to cold to let someone else do the work!!
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Old 03-08-2005, 04:45 PM   #8
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I am trying to decide between getting the SPT short shifter with TiC bushings or get their full TiC STi Kwick Klicky Kit that comes with the Kartboy shifter. I've read lots of possitive things from the kartboy shifter and a few negatives.

From what I understand the kartboy will reduce the throws by ~40% and the SPT by ~10%. I also understand the the kartboy reduces the shifter hieght by 1 inch. To me that sounds like a negative since the quickest shifts would be had from getting your hand to the shifter the fastest. Can anyone comment on the stock or SPT feel vs. the kartboy shift lever height feel?

What I keep coming back to is the additional cost of the SPT. Is the 1" worth it? In my mind the greater reduction in throw is not a valuation point since I would realize the same benefit from a 10% reduction as I would from a 40%.

Any help is greatly appreciated!
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Old 03-08-2005, 08:51 PM   #9
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most people that get the SPt shifter cant tell that the got the shifter installed. 10% is almost useless IMHO.
try searching for the post from joel gat 1.8 he had the SPT one and switched out for one of ours.

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Old 03-08-2005, 10:59 PM   #10
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Thanks for the reply and the reference to the other post. I'm still curious if the lower height is an improvement or not and if so, what is the benefit?

Thanks-
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In my opinion both shifters are very nice, and are even better with the bushings. I understand your concern over the 1" increase in distance from the wheel to the knob, but I feel that time is made up by the 40% reduction in throw so I would say go with the Kartboy.

Additionally, by going with the kwick klicky kit you still save a healthy chunk of change vs. going with the SPT setup and adding the bushings to that.
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Old 03-09-2005, 12:39 PM   #12
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Here is the link where Joel Gat states he dumped the subaru shifter for the Kartboy.


http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...=kartboy+speed
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Old 03-14-2005, 02:38 PM   #13
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Thanks for the replies. I think I will go w/ Kartboy b/c I just can't rationalize the cost of the SPT when most people love their Kartboys. From the feedback I've seen I'm guessing the 1" difference is negligable. Maybe I'll get a huge shifter knob that will take up the slack
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Old 03-14-2005, 09:32 PM   #14
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FWIW, I've driven an '05 Sti with a factory short throw shifter and it is an improvement over the standard shifter.
Hmmm, I wonder who's car that was? Yea, if I didn't basicaly get this shifter thrown in for free I would have been all over the KB.

I think I'll just do the Tic bushings with the KB bushings a be happy with it.

PS. only if Bryan comes over and helps (and brings beer)

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Old 03-15-2005, 08:25 AM   #15
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Hmmm, I wonder who's car that was? Yea, if I didn't basicaly get this shifter thrown in for free I would have been all over the KB.

I think I'll just do the Tic bushings with the KB bushings a be happy with it.

PS. only if Bryan comes over and helps (and brings beer)

Fess
I need TiC bushings too! Maybe even a group N trans-mount,

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Old 03-16-2005, 10:33 AM   #16
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Well then that settles it. I'm ordering the bushings. You get your TiC bushings and we will get beer and pizza and install this stuff (as soon as it gets warmer, but not too warm because that will cut into golfing!)

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Old 03-16-2005, 11:55 AM   #17
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Regarding the shifter linkage, there was an interesting thread that Peaty had, from a couple of years ago. He and Tom were doing some investigation on the differences between the STi and Kartboy shifters. Mind you, this was the 5-spd. versions.

It seems that the brothers Deadrick did a BETTER job than STi in matters of geometry. The critical distance between mounting ball and pivot sleeve on the shifter was more equal to the stock shifter on the Kartboy, than on the STi. The sole difference on the STi linkage, compared to the stock one, was I think one or two brass bolts vs. standard ones, plus I think the length of the linkage arm (which connects to the shifter arm) was a bit different, to accomodate the altered shifter arm geometry.

Sounds confusing, and I'm likely not explaining it correctly, but it was an interesting research experiment. Apparently this discrepancy is the reason you can just buy a Kartboy shifter arm and have it be acceptable on the stock linkage... which is actually no worse or less "performance-oriented" than the STi one. Mechanically they're identical.
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Old 03-23-2005, 05:07 PM   #18
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Well then that settles it. I'm ordering the bushings. You get your TiC bushings and we will get beer and pizza and install this stuff (as soon as it gets warmer, but not too warm because that will cut into golfing!)

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So did you guys get your beer and pizza for the install yet?
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Old 07-01-2005, 01:13 PM   #19
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I have this kb shifter for the sti, I'm not happy about the way it gets into first. Very hard and notchy, where before it slid in much easier. Other than that it's definitely quicker and fine in other gears.
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I have this kb shifter for the sti, I'm not happy about the way it gets into first. Very hard and notchy, where before it slid in much easier. Other than that it's definitely quicker and fine in other gears.
are you sure the install is correct? you might need to bend the metal plate up just a touch.

all the ones we've done in house have had 0 problems shifting into first.

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Old 09-05-2005, 01:35 AM   #21
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i just installed the SS today and it feels like the shifting requires a little more effort. is that normal? i like the short throws, but i'm wondering about the extra notchiness. thanks!
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i just installed the SS today and it feels like the shifting requires a little more effort. is that normal? i like the short throws, but i'm wondering about the extra notchiness. thanks!

Give it a while to loosen up. I just did a 3K mile update in the other thread, and it will loosen up to the point where it feels much more natural.
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wow, thanks for the quick reply. i'm doing the bushings tomorrow when its more light out. would the bushings make things even stiffer?
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Old 09-08-2005, 09:45 PM   #24
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Bushings will increase the notchy feeling, if you tighten the nut at the shifter/linkage junction too much it makes shift effort much greater. This shifter shortens the lever arm like an inch so of course shift effort is going to increase.
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I just had the KB shifter and bushings installed today by Exeter Subaru and I'm loving it. The feel is perfect when changing gear and feels more precise to me than before. I'm very happy with my decision to buy this and would recommend it to anyone considering the same. I kept the stock shift knob so nobody outside of a Subaru mechanic or a fellow STi owner will be able to tell it's there.

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