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Old 01-04-2005, 03:18 PM   #1
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Default 2005 Studs on Ice time trial / track day on ice FEB 12th 2005

The Adirondack Motor Enthusiast Club
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2005 Studs on Ice Time Trial event

Test your driving skills on studded or unstudded winter tires in a combination Open Track Lapping and time trial event on Ice

Winter tires only, no all season or summer tires allowed.

Date: Saturday, February 12th, 2005

Location: Round Lake , in the village of Round Lake, NY

Price: $35.00 per driver

Registration: from 8:00 am to 10:30 am at the Grapevine Deli [directions below]

First run group off at 11:00 am

There will be one timed solo run for each driver at about 3:30 pm. Trophies will be given out to the top three drivers in each class.

All new format this year.

Here are the key changes:

1. Instead of the traditional solo format, with it's waiting around all day to make your run, we are switching to a new "track day" format with four "Run groups" that will run in 10 minute open track lapping sessions, with approx. 10 cars in each group. This will give you more track time than the last three events we have held combined. There will be a single timed solo run at the end of the event, and trophies awarded to the top three in each class.

2. There will be passing allowed in three of the four run groups, but only on the straight[s]. This will be monitored very closely. Point by's are optional and encouraged. Don't worry we plan on plowing the the track wide enough to slide a tractor tralier around again this year, with plenty of room to pass. Passing will only be done in a well educated, non-competitive, and controlled fashion. The car being overtaken must help facilitate a safe pass, and will not "race" the passing car to the braking zone. There will be a set of cones at the end of the straightaway[s] denoting where you must have your pass completed.

3. We will have one run group that will accomodate all of the driver's who don't want any passing in their run group.

4. In the unlikely event that any participant's vehicle touches another particpant's vehicle, one or both of them [determined by the course marshals] will be excluded from the remainder of the event without a refund. This should not be an issue, but has to be mentioned. You are not racing the other cars in your run group.

Class pairings for run groups:

Seven Classes include:
All 2WD Rubber-to-Ice [2WD-R]
All 4WD Rubber-to-Ice [4WD-R]
All 2WD w/street studs [2WD-S]
All 4WD w/street studs [4WD-S]
All cars with Menards [M] class
All 2WD bolts "X-perimental" [2WD-X]
All 4WD w/bolts [4WD-X]

As stated above, there will be one timed run for each driver at the end of the program to determine the winners in each class. This will be like the final stage of the Swedish Rally. You've got just one chance to be the quickest. You will have had all day for "recce" and practice.




Existing classes will be paired in this way:

Run group #1: Menard, 2WD-X, and 4WD-X, cars run together.

Run group #2: 2WD-S and 4WD-S cars run together.

Run group# 3: 2WD-R and 4WD-R cars run together.

Run group #4: No passing group [Rubber or Studded cars only - no Menard or X cars]

Notes:

***** Dual driver cars will be able to run in different run groups of similar performance. In other words, a "Group #3" car's with second driver would run with either the "Group #2" cars or in "Group #4" [the "No Passing"] group. Each driver will choose their run group when pre-registering, so we can organize the sizes of each group.

***** Like last year, there will be a maximum of two drivers per car.

***** Final results will be tallied much more quickly, and trophies will be awarded for all classes.

***** There is an additional benefit of this new format for all eligible Street Legal cars [under 3,200 lbs.]that are invited to stay over and race with us the next day in our regular wheel to wheel "Street Legal" classes. They will have practiced the course extensively, and will have the advantage of knowing it like the back of their hand for Sunday's races. Keep in mind the SL and SLU [unstudded] classes have a strict "no contact" in effect.

The date of this year's event is scheduled [weather permitting as usual] for Saturday February 12th, 2005. The location will be much more convenient for the majority of you than last year's event. It is planned to be held on Round Lake, located in Round Lake, NY, about 25 minutes north of Albany.

Morning registration will be at the Grapevine Deli /gas station, just off of Northway [I-87] Exit 11.

Directions from the South:
Take exit 24 of the New York State Thruway, for I-87 North [a.k.a the "Northway"]. Get off of the Northway at Exit 11 for Round Lake. Bear left at the end of the ramp onto Round Lake Rd., go under the Northway, and on your right will be the Grapvine Deli / gas station. There is a truck stop next door, so there is plenty of parking for everyone. After registering, go left [back the way you came on Round Lake Rd], under the Northway again, and proceed into the village of Round Lake. Don't make any turns, just wind your way through the village and proceed until you come out to a "Y" at a traffic light, which is route 9. Bear right onto route 9 South and you'll see the lake on your left. Just a few hundred yards up, look for the second opening in the guardrail on your left. In the middle of the big opening is the lake access to the event. Be very careful when crossing oncoming traffic on route 9 and turn left into the access. Follow the plowed path to the pit area.

Directions from the North: Northway south to exit 11, then bear right onto Round Lake Rd. The Grapevine Deli is on your right. Follow same instructions "From the south" from the "After registering" heading, to get to the lake.

Motels Round Lake: HERE


You may also want to stay in Clifton Park [Exit 9], which is about 10-15 minutes south of Round lake.
Motels Clifton Park: HERE


Tim Stevens was very helpful in getting these price quotes for Clifton Park area:

Best Western Clifton Park - 617 Plank Rd. (518) 371-1811 $75 a night includes continental breakfast.

Comfort Inn - 41 Fire Rd (518) 373-0222 $99 a night for 2 double bed room.
Comfort Suites - 7 Northside Dr. (518) 373-2255 $129 for suite with 2 queen beds or 1 king bed.

Hampton Inn Clifton Park - 620 Plank Rd. (518) 373-2345 $107 for King or 2 double bed room.



To register:

Send me an email reply [or call me at 518 674-0520] with the following information: Driver's name, Driver's age, Full mailing address, Car owner's name, Car make model and year, Brand and Model tires to be used, Car color, preferred car number[s], and emergency contact phone number[s]. This event is open to the first 60 drivers. It is suggested to register promptly.

Best regards,

Michael Kamm
A.M.E.C. VP
Studs on Ice coordinator
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Old 01-04-2005, 03:43 PM   #2
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Might want to include the Date in the top of the post. It's kinda buried (thought it was about classing and skipped it since I thought it didn't apply.)
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Old 01-04-2005, 03:56 PM   #3
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that and a price. A few of us from VT are interested.

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Old 01-04-2005, 04:08 PM   #4
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that and a price. A few of us from VT are interested.

Chris H.
Thanks guys.

It's hard to remember everything in such an all inclusive post.
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Old 01-04-2005, 11:32 PM   #5
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Very interesting...

Multiple cars on course sounds like it could get pretty hairy though. The last Studs on Ice event I did had a 1.5 mile course, how many passing zomes do you think you'll have? I'd be concerned about a group getting bunched up and having an incident if one of them loses control. People without wheel to wheel seat time may be easily spooked.

But I am very tempted.
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Old 01-05-2005, 02:17 AM   #6
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I'm soooooo jealous. Its 55 degrees out here in Cali
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Old 01-05-2005, 07:49 AM   #7
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Can't wait!

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Old 01-05-2005, 09:30 AM   #8
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What time would all of this start?
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Old 01-05-2005, 11:55 AM   #9
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Very interesting...

Multiple cars on course sounds like it could get pretty hairy though. The last Studs on Ice event I did had a 1.6 mile course, how many passing zones do you think you'll have?
Paul,
Peolple underestimate our officiating at these events. We do not require that particpants work at our events. You are not at the mercy of inexperienced workers, from having participants pressed into a position they know nothing about, like working a corner flagging station.

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People without wheel to wheel seat time may be easily spooked.
We have a run group with "No Passing" for them. Remember: you are not racing the other cars in your group.

It should also be mentioned that if someone has never raced on ice before, doesn't have proper winter tires, and feels that they aren't ready for an event like this, that is understandable. A.M.E.C. expects less cars this year, but with more experienced drivers. Our goal is not to attract drivers with worn out "all-season" tires that spend the day repeatedly spun out in a snowbank. There are other lower speed solo venues for them.

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I'd be concerned about a group getting bunched up and having an incident if one of them loses control.
As usual, cars will be set out with equal large distances between them on a huge track. If there is a group bunched up [which there shouldn't be if you paid attention at the driver's meeting] the car[s] holding up the pack will be black flagged, and asked to pull off on a specially prepared "pull off" lane at Start/Finish. They will be held there a few moments until the others have passed and then be sent back out. We plan on having two passing zones, clearly marked with pylons.
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What time would all of this start?
I've updated the original post with that info.

Thanks Alex.
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As usual, cars will be set out with equal large distances between them on a huge track. If there is a group bunched up [which there shouldn't be if you paid attention at the driver's meeting] the car[s] holding up the pack will be black flagged, and asked to pull off on a specially prepared "pull off" lane at Start/Finish. They will be held there a few moments until the others have passed and then be sent back out. We plan on having two passing zones, clearly marked with pylons.
OH! That makes sense. I don't know what kind of a "start" I was picturing, but I thought we'd start off together. This makes a lot more sense to me now.

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Old 01-05-2005, 01:46 PM   #12
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Mike, thanks for the answers, they clear up most of my concerns. Less people, more seat time = more fun.

You don't think you can get enough people to restrict it to snow tires or better (as in no all season or summer)?
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Old 01-05-2005, 05:09 PM   #13
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Mike, thanks for the answers, they clear up most of my concerns. Less people, more seat time = more fun.

You don't think you can get enough people to restrict it to snow tires or better (as in no all season or summer)?
Forgive me for not making it clear initially, I will edit my event flyer to reflect that we will definately be requiring winter tires to run in this event. No offence to anyone, but trying to run an event like this on summer or all season tires is a handicap you shouldn't place on yourself, or the others in your run group. It just makes no sense to try to drive quickly on ice without winter tires. That's why I have a line on the registration form to fill in this year, asking what brand and model of winter tires you will be using. I have two extra sets of studded Nokian Hakkapelliitta's set aside for loaning out a participants already. There's plenty of time to pick up a set winter of tires on ebay or at the Tire Rack.

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Old 01-10-2005, 10:46 PM   #14
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Default X-Perimental class taking center stage this year!

Registration is filling up nicely for this year's all new "Studs on Ice" event.

Headlining this exciting event are more X-Perimental class [bolts or screws in tires] cars than ever before this year!



Last year's overall champ, Constantine Mantopoulas will return with his '89 Audi 90 Quattro, 20 valve turbo, Pro Rally car.



Runner up, Dave Burnham will return again this year in his #48 open wheel FWD unlimted modified, complete with a full areodynamic package and an all-aluminum twin cam Maserati V-6 engine for power.




....Also, Andrew Bayley and Jeremy Butts will bring screamin' X- class cars too. Andrew's got a full house WRX and Jeremy a big honkin' V8 powered RWD 5.0 Liter Mustang GT.


Brendan Norton will also be running in 2WD-X with his Nissan 200SX SE-R, with a home built set of screwed tires.

Lots of Quattros and Subarus too!



Haven't heard from Pennsylvania's Alex Kozik yet, but he ran a home built set of screw tires last year too.

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Old 01-10-2005, 10:47 PM   #15
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Default WRX with the "right" tires

Here are some pics Andrew Bayley sent me of the 2002 WRX he will drive at this year's event in 4WD-X.



....with these tires......




And here is a pic of Jeremy Butts' 5.0 Mustang.....




Looks like Constantine might have some competition this year!
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Old 01-11-2005, 10:22 AM   #16
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Here are some pics Andrew Bayley sent me of the 2002 WRX he will drive at this year's event in 4WD-X.
WRX
2004

I'm crossing my fingers right now that a new tensioner is all I need to get ehr ready. I'd hate to miss yet another event this year...
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Old 01-11-2005, 11:44 AM   #17
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I will most likely be there. (My parents live in CP)
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godda love body roll on the ice!!!!
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I am comming. Anyone looking to share a hotel room on Saturday?
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I am comming. Anyone looking to share a hotel room on Saturday?
feropont,
Yes,
I have another Jerseyite coming to this event with this WRX,


This pic was taken at Summit point I believe.

His name is Sergei, and he too is seeking someone to share a room with. What could be better than another Subie driver? I sent Sergei a link to this post, so he might send you a pm.

feropont,
Did you register with me yet?

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that is me I am a Sergei.
I also posted at tri-sate forum http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=696741
May get aditional atention.

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that is me I am a Sergei.
I also posted at tri-sate forum http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=696741
May get aditional atention.
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Haven't heard from Pennsylvania's Alex Kozik yet, but he ran a home built set of screw tires last year too.
don't worry I'll be there.
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don't worry I'll be there.
Your'e in Alex. Thanks for registering.

I will have your form printed off and ready for you to sign at registration in the morning.

We will have a record number of X-perimental cars this year.

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Michael, I just called to register and left a message. I look forward to hearing back from you. Thanks

Snowphun, you have a pm.
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