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Old 01-06-2005, 10:32 AM   #1
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Hello All,

I recently purchased a 2005 STi and I'm looking to add some light bolt on modifications such as a Cone style air Intake. I usually do this with most cars I've owned. From the limited research I've done, I know there are kits out their for the 05. My questions are: Is there any particular air intakes that are designed specifically for the STi? Does Subaru offer any aftermarket intakes. Is it worth it? I know some cars only gain something like 2-3 RWHP to me that's not worth it. I know you could couple it with an exhaust and get more gains, but that's down the road. Does the engine light come one once installed? And finally, have their been any problems with Subaru dealerships servicing the cars because of the aftermarket air intake (in other words, will they give you trouble for putting one in?).

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Old 01-06-2005, 10:39 AM   #2
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No offense, but this is the biggest newbie question there is. You could do a little search for "intake and first and mod" and come up with pages upon pages of results. From what I've seen, the general concensous is that most wrx/sti owners think that an intake is just about the worste first mod you could get. Get that and a bov, and you'd be on your way to spending $400 on nothin. If you get something like a perrin big maf intake, or an aps 70mm intake(or any other intake out there) and your engine goes boom, subaru will most likely tell you to go screw yourself(in the way of paying thousands in repairs). I suggest you leave the stock intake on.

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Old 01-06-2005, 10:50 AM   #3
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Hippy,

I don't understand why people such as yourself have the need to criticize a perfectly legitimate question. Do you feel cool doing so???? Does it make you feel like more of a "Subi Enthusiast".

Sorry, but what is the big freaking deal with starting a new thread on a topic that is popular. If you don't want to respond then simply don't. No big deal. I checked the recent threads on this subject and there's nothing. I'm sure I'm not the only one interested in this information as well and it wouldn't hurt to have it up now and then rather than search through pages upon pages of stuff. Plus some of us have limited time and look to NASIOC for answers. Isn't that the purpose of a forum???

If you took the time to read the thread I was asking for suggestions on specific one's as you are probably aware that there are tones of companies that offer aftermarket air intakes. I just wanted to see what fellow subi's owners did. Not a bad way to get an answer you thing???

I just hate idiots who feel the need to skirt around the question and offer some stupid insult as a response. Get a life!!!

Sorry if I offended (I'm really not...)

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Old 01-06-2005, 11:08 AM   #4
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he's not being to be rude man, its just that your exact ? has been answered over and over. after a while people just quit reading the posts, its not productive at all.
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Old 01-06-2005, 11:10 AM   #5
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Hey bwagman, it is generally believed that the stock intake design is actually very very good, and keeping the intake stock can prevent problems down the road (mostly, running lean due to an improperly sized intake tube). I know APS makes a 65mm intake (the stock internal diameter size) for the WRX, and I would imagine it would work on the STi.

My suggestion is still to stick with the stock box (wow, talk about alliteration ) until you're pushing some major power.

If you want the increased noise often associated with an aftermarket intake, just rip out the silencer that's in the fender.
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Old 01-06-2005, 11:16 AM   #6
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Sorry man I am with Hippy here. Do you realize how many of these dupliciate threads we see in a week? We just get sick and tired of a nOOb coming on and asking the same question that was asked two days ago. The search feature is your freind and untill you have time to do a search for your question I would avoid posting till you do.


IMHO if you have the overwhelming urge to buy one of these parts just get a pannel filter for the stock air box. CIA are not needed and detrimental if no EM is present. The same is true for a BOV, stock is good for 19 psi and you will not get that till you have EM.
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Old 01-06-2005, 11:22 AM   #7
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I gave you an honest answer after reading the whole thread. I suggested to stay with stock. I also told ya what subaru's reaction would proabably be if your engine died from the new intake. Sorry if that bothers you, but I don't go around insulting people on here. I wasn't trying to make fun of your or anything. Just tryin to let you know that you're not alone, and most of the people who have made the decision in the past say that they would choose to stay with stock over getting an intake as a first mod. Also, as a general rule it's better to add to a thread with the same topic then to start a new one, especially when there are a billion threads on the topic. This at least helps people who do search for their answer the convenience of lookin through less threads.

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Old 01-06-2005, 11:26 AM   #8
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BTW this is the wrong forum for this type of question.
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Old 01-06-2005, 11:57 AM   #9
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Intakes on a WRX or STi aren't worth it until you are running a clocked turbo. Spend the money on something worthwhile like a downpipe.
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Old 01-06-2005, 12:17 PM   #10
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Hippy, It's not what you said...it's how you said it...I understand that this question may have been asked before, but looking at the current threads in the ENGINE MANAGEMENT AND TUNING (THE CAPS ARE FOR MIKE WRX NJ where else am I supposed to post it???) I didn't see anything... I apologize to all who felt compelled to click on the thread and read and got fed up with this question. Before, I posted it I didn't think I would get anything more than an answer from some knowledgeable Subi owners. If you feel compelled to let me know how much of a "newbie" I am, then don't read the thread and let it die. Understand that new forum members (such as myself...may not have read previous threads and may not know to go and check other threads (and take the time to get through all the BS before actually seeing an answer to my question). And we know there's a bunch of BS on a lot of these threads...

I didn't realize asking people their opinions on a thread marked Engine Management and tuning was a cardinal sin among some NASIOC members. I guess every forum has it's own ediquet.

I have been on many other forums for different cars, I try to help others as much as possible and stay away from the "oh my God, not that question again... response".

All in all, I think I got my answer from gjhsu who provided me with some good information, for now I think I'm sticking with the stock air intake. Thanks for all your time.

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Old 01-06-2005, 12:30 PM   #11
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Maybe it's the way you took what I said? I was just trying to get the point across that you might wanna steer clear of aftermarket intakes for now without wasting to much of our time. Take that any way you want, and you're obviously gonna do whatever you think is right. Either way there are rules on every forum. Here are some of nasiocs rules.

7. Personal attacks directed towards other members and other websites are strictly prohibited on the NASIOC message board.(especially not towards hippy )

9. Absolutely no "elite" style (***, @@@, iMpReZa) or all caps writing is allowed anywhere on the message board, especially in the subject lines.

Whatever though. Here are two links from the newbie faq section that you might wanna check out.

The use of Aftermarket Intakes on 2002+ Subaru factory-turbocharged vehicles
Intake FAQ: Read if you are thinking of buying one!
Here's a little movie about posting. Just a little joke...

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Old 01-06-2005, 12:37 PM   #12
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first of all you did get an answer to your question. hippy answered it perfectly and from what i read, he had zero animosity towards, you. YOU are the one that started flame fest.

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"Engine Management & Tuning: Standalone ECU's, Piggyback ECU's, and Tuning Discussions." which intake to get is NOT tuning.

"Factory 2.5L Turbo: Technical discussion about all FACTORY 2.5L TURBO Subaru powertrains." that is where you go for mechanical and technical issues.



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Old 01-06-2005, 12:47 PM   #13
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Hippy,

That works for me ... I guess when you said "no offense" in your post, I took offense, but may have overreacted. I have been on other forums where you ask a question and everyone that response has something else to say other than what your looking for... that just aggrevated me being a new Subi owner and new to this forum.

Just to note, one reason why I did ask this question is because in the past I've owned Roush Mustangs, Corvettes, Camaros, and other V8 muscle cars (they were all set up for SCCA/NASA road racing) usually changing the air intake went without question, among other modifications such as offroad pipe, headers, high flow cat, and exhaust. Usually the intake was at the house the day I took delivery of the car. However, I'm not too familiar with the Boxer engine and don't want to stress the engine on such a high output 4 cylinder. It's not that I want this modification for looks or sound, but rather performance and bang for the buck. I know turbo motors can gain a lot more HP then naturally aspirated motors when changing air and exhaust modifications. Apparantly from what I hear from you and others, the STi has a good air intake system and therefore it's not a necessary change where as in my previous cars it was. And perhaps a downpipe would be a better choice?

So thanks again for your help, and tips for the forum. I do LOVE this car!!!

Thanks,
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Old 01-06-2005, 12:52 PM   #14
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Ben,
Welcome to Nasioc! Don't let us scare you off. These forums are an invaluable tool. I've learned mucho here. As far as basic intake mods go, search for snorkel or snorkus removal. If you have no luck PM me and I'll walk you through it.
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Old 01-06-2005, 12:53 PM   #15
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Eh, a downpipe is a common mod....... You're probably gonna have problems doing little mods on your car without something going wrong. Less restrictive exhausts end up hurting boost control, and it's common for sti's to overboost a lot when this type of mod is done. That can be dangerous for your engine. Imo it would be best to save up your money for when you know(or at least think you know) what you want instead of askin everyone if this or that will be good.

Also, I totally understand how sometimes ya might not get the answer you want when asking a question that seems pretty simple, and this can make ya angry. This is one of the reasons that doing searches is good. You won't get angry from reading other peoples questions and answers which had nothing to do with the questions.

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Old 01-06-2005, 02:32 PM   #16
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I guess every forum has it's own ediquet.
Pretty much any internet forum would like to see all new people read all stickies and do at least a minimal search before asking there question. And for your reaction, it can be very hard to read something and know what type of attitude (from none to a lot) is intended. Phrases like 'no offense' means sincerity; or any time a 'happier' smiley is used it usually implies a friendly tone even if the words alone seem harsh. And I, just like others, only bother to respond about these things to help you in your future searching and posting. If we really didn't care we wouldn't tell you the right thing to do, we would just call you various names; but then there would be no difference between NASIOC and SRT-4 forums

Also, more answers to your more general questioning. I always say to improve your driving skills as a great first 'mod'. I would guess that less than half the people here can get 80% out of their STi (I am in the majority so don't think I am being arrogant). But if you are past that, or simply want more power the best first mode is some Engine Management (EM). Which one you get depends on your long term goals. For a lot of folks a Cobb Accessport is a great choice. As an alternative, or the best second mod for power, a turbo-back exhaust (TBE) is the next thing. After that things are quite as direct. It will go back to what you really want out of your car.

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Old 01-11-2005, 01:04 PM   #17
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and don't forget the ever important boost gauge if you don't have one yet - helps you make sure you have that boost spiking in check when you get your exhuast (TBE with high-flow cat will help too)
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I know what you mean about starting off with mods regarding NA's. Exhaust and intake would logically be the first thing to go on. Like you said, they were waiting when you took delivery of your vehicle. These little 4 bangers are a little different.

If you want a bit more performance for your car, get a turboback exhaust. It's a good base to start out with regarding mods. So is a form of engine management. I'm happy with the Accessport, but a lot of guys like the UTEC. A lot of it depends on how much you like to tune yourself. Accessport is basically a flash(set it and forget it), while the UTEC is definitely more hands on.

Welcome to the club, and not to be a smart@$$, the best thing you can do is read Unabomber's FAQ's. They are really good.



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....oops, wrong thread
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Old 01-17-2005, 03:22 AM   #20
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I know some cars only gain something like 2-3 RWHP to me that's not worth it.
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You own a Subbie, so it's not RWHP anymore, but AWHP (Cant believe no one has caught that !)

And for the record..... Save your ~$250 dollars and put it elsewhere!!!


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