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Old 01-07-2005, 04:34 AM   #1
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Default Electrocharger, Hypervoltage system & HyperGroung System

Has anyone heard of these? What do you think?
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Old 01-07-2005, 07:51 AM   #2
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BS. All of it. Been discussed on these boards many times.
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Old 01-07-2005, 08:22 AM   #3
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This does bring a really interesting question for me. It seems people with higher HP subies get plugs that are one step colder; so would something like Hotwires actually be counter productive and actually make things worse? Sorry if that is a n00b electrical question, but it is just something that I haven't thought about in that way before.

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Old 01-07-2005, 10:35 AM   #4
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This does bring a really interesting question for me. It seems people with higher HP subies get plugs that are one step colder; so would something like Hotwires actually be counter productive and actually make things worse? Sorry if that is a n00b electrical question, but it is just something that I haven't thought about in that way before.

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Since we don't have spark plug wires (we use a coil on plug setup) on WRXs I wouldn't be too concerned about it.
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Old 01-07-2005, 10:48 AM   #5
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Yeah, you don't have the option of wasting your money on Hotwires for a WRX. This is just a gimmick to get you to spend $150 for wires that are worth $50. I've also heard of major arcing issues with these if they aren't installed properly.
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Old 01-10-2005, 08:32 PM   #6
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From the HyperVoltage Ground system page:

"On a normal system, electric current flows from a positive terminal to a negative terminal through the car body. But there are much resistance at connectors of body, engine and transmission."

Actually, on a normal system, or any system for that matter, current flows from negative to positive. All the time, always. It is a fundamental concept behind electronics that anybody will learn in the first day of class.

If they are dumb enough to say something like that on their page, do you think they really know what they are doing with their product? They are obviously full of BS and should be shut down.

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Old 01-11-2005, 02:13 AM   #7
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From the HyperVoltage Ground system page:

"On a normal system, electric current flows from a positive terminal to a negative terminal through the car body. But there are much resistance at connectors of body, engine and transmission."

Actually, on a normal system, or any system for that matter, current flows from negative to positive. All the time, always. It is a fundamental concept behind electronics that anybody will learn in the first day of class.

If they are dumb enough to say something like that on their page, do you think they really know what they are doing with their product? They are obviously full of BS and should be shut down.

Jeff
yes, but enough people are foolish enough to believe what they read, that's why the "tornado" is still selling despite the fact it's been proven as a POS years and years ago.

i'll bet with enough marketing you can sell just about anything.
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Old 01-14-2005, 03:05 AM   #8
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wow... another post on the grounding mod... how many times do I have to say that it isn't BS.... amazing really this is probably the 5th post I've made about this topic... yes it is true that current (or electrons) does flow actually from the negative terminal to the positive one... but in actuality the way that they define it is that "positive" current flows from the positive terminal to the negative one... while there is no such thing as "positive" current it's just the way that it has been defined... also it doesn't matter which way you follow the circuit around...(I'm not saying that polarity doesn't matter that's something else entirely) if you analize a circuit you will find the same results with KCL and KVL regardless if you follow the "positive" current or the negative current flow.... you think I don't know what I'm talking about??? I'm a EE major here at UCSD-I am pretty sure I know what I'm saying... mulder for one needs to stop spreading these rumors that the grounding kit is useless... I have already prooven several times that the grounding kit does work- do a search and you'll know what I am saying-- and other of the more intelligent members of the board (engineers and people who actually know a thing about electronics) have supported and agreed with what I have to say... just beacuse it's not a bigger turbo doesn't mean that it can't give you more hp

I'll only provide one analogy- it's the same as if you add a high flow exhaust to the car... it frees up restrictions that the stock system had in place-unleashing extra hp... same with the grounding kits... by lower resistance it reduces the load placed on the engine which will allow it to turn more freely in essence "unleashing" the hidden potential...

if you actually want to know how it works then look up my other posts and find some information... but I doubt that you will since most people just blow things off as "BS"--

btw things like the "apexi super groudning system" have been dyno prooven to free up to 10 hp on an STI (dyno work was not done by apexi mind you) not only does apexi offer the grounding kit, but buddy club, and greddy... you think that they are unreputable companies that deserver to get shut down because they sell products that do nothing??

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Old 01-14-2005, 03:42 AM   #9
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please reference these sites for more evidence that the grounding kits do infact add or "unleash" hp
http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0308it_pptalon/
http://www.caraudiomag.com/testreports/0401cae_hyper/
http://www.350zforum.com/tech/groundweb/groundweb.aspx
(the last one even has a detailed install procedure for a DIY although it is for a 350Z)
http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0405it_300zx/
(these are from the power pages reports and it indicates 4 hp increase on a 300zx)

I am not lying when I say that the grounding mod works... I have no reason to lie I just want to try to show people that it does infact do something... at the very least if you still do not believe that it will give you more hp it will help the slight hesitation around 5-6k that plagues wrx's..

it wasn't hard to find this information- please do a little research before you bash something next time~

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Old 01-14-2005, 07:25 AM   #10
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I won't even get into whether or not the grounding mods work. However I will say that it seems very strange anyone would bother to pay the prices for the pre-made 'kits'. It can be done a lot cheaper, work at least as good or better, and look better as well. I will say don't waste your money on one of these kits; but for the cost and time involved in doing it yourself might be worth a shot.

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Old 01-15-2005, 09:03 PM   #11
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yes I do agree that the price for these premade kits is too high.. I'm not advocating that people go out and buy these kits... if you DIY then it would be far cheaper and most likely give the same results as something like the greddy hyper ground system provided that you actually make it correctly and don't decide to attach them to your strut tower tops as I saw one person has done... I'm just trying to say that the kits do something and that they are not just rubbish or BS
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Old 01-16-2005, 09:00 AM   #12
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I don't see it as a "performance upgrade" as much as a "conveince upgrade".I have done this to numerous vehicles with my own "kits" that i made from left over audio amp wire.All the results were the same.Brighter lights,smoother idle and driving characteristics.Cleared up some of the "hicups" in the vehicles.Never really had the desire to dyno to figure the gains.Really wasn't doing it for the performance aspect.
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