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Old 01-09-2005, 11:09 PM   #1
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Default First track day experience in my MY05 STi

As a guest of the Porsche Club of America at Moroso Motorsports Park in Palm Beach Gardens, FL.

Car is stock except for the brake fluid swapped for ATE superblue.

The track was 2.2 miles long with a very long front straight and speeds in excess of 130 before braking for turn 2.

First of all, anyone owning one of these cars that does not track it or autocross it is doing themselves a huge disservice. If my car had a tongue it would have been sticking out all day today and waggling around like a puppy.

The event was a DE course with the two instructor groups being green (novice) and blue (experienced). Since I was new they started me in the green group. After 2 sessions they bumped me into the blue for the final 2. There were strictly enforced passing zones in 3 places.

Cars included numerous 911/996 turbos, GT3s, Corvettes, M3s, Minis, and a Viper GTS. There were two other Suby's there...another 05 STi (driven by an instructor) and a bugeye WRX with many mods, including Tein RA's, VF29, injectors, TBE, Clutch and STi RA tranny.

In all 4 sessions, each about 25-30 mins, I was passed only once, and THAT was the WRX mentioned above. Nobody, I mean nobody could keep up with the Subarus. Probably 10 people came over between session asking what the hell I was driving, and what I'd done to it (I loved saying "changed the brake fluid to superblue...that's it".

The car handled flawlessly, the stock tires held up beautifully and the brakes showed just the slightest bit of fade in the last session. I can't wait till I can get out there again.
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Old 01-09-2005, 11:45 PM   #2
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Glad to hear your positive experience! My first ever track day will be in 2 weeks. I don't plan on pushing my Sti too much since I've never done any track day before...so I guess I'll be passed by many of the other guys there (The list so far includes other Stis, Evo MR, M3, GTO, Cooper S, Elise...all are pretty fast). I can't wait!
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Old 01-09-2005, 11:53 PM   #3
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neek,

It's great isn't it?? I had the first STi in Palm Beach County. I've done HPDE with PCA, but not for a while now. I got the same reactions as you... especially since nobody had seen one yet. When I drove into the paddock, it was like a rock star arrived with folks flagging me down to see the car. I've been going out with PDC (performance drivers club - a affiliate of NASA). I also recently went out with Chin Motorsports. Both are great groups like PCA.

www.performance-drivers-club.com
www.chinmotorsports.com

Hopefully we'll cross paths at the track some day. I have a white 2004 STi with a "fast wrx" license plate. However, I'll soon also be driving a Chrome Orange 2005 Lotus Elise! (Due to arrive in February if all goes well.) If you see me, be sure to introduce yourself!

Enjoy your STi!

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Old 01-09-2005, 11:57 PM   #4
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elise is best car ever, cannot be passed by heavy imprezas
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Old 01-10-2005, 09:11 AM   #5
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Forgot to mention there was one incident...

911 Turbo in the Green group tried to save a tail swinging wide and ended up putting it nose first into the inside wall. Airbags deployed nobody hurt, but lots of dmg.

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Old 01-10-2005, 11:29 AM   #6
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Turn 10, neek? Ouch. Hate to hear that. He had to be pretty out of control to hit that wall. Lots of room there. I've done about 10 HPDEs and have never seen a car damaged.

Got any pics?

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Old 01-10-2005, 01:24 PM   #7
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No it was exiting turn 4, after the 3-4 double apex (which was giving me fits the first few sessions to get right).

No pics...I almost went to snap some, but felt so bad for the driver.

In other news, I'm gonna try to shoot for the April 9 HPDE. I think it's at Homestead.
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Old 01-10-2005, 01:31 PM   #8
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Oh, wow... wouldn't have guessed turn 4. I would think that a Porsche Turbo is NOT the ideal car for a track novice.

A few weeks ago at Skippy School (at Moroso), I spun off in turn 2 (outside) and again in turn 6 (inside). Didn't hit anything, but got lots of sand in the car and even inside my helmet!

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Old 01-10-2005, 01:43 PM   #9
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Yeah getting down the hill and hitting the apex right in turn 6 was tricky. I first started realizing that there was so much space to track out after turn 6, that you can carry a good bit of speed through it.
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Old 01-10-2005, 01:53 PM   #10
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Glad to hear your positive experience! My first ever track day will be in 2 weeks. I don't plan on pushing my Sti too much since I've never done any track day before...so I guess I'll be passed by many of the other guys there (The list so far includes other Stis, Evo MR, M3, GTO, Cooper S, Elise...all are pretty fast). I can't wait!

It'll be a blast. Just work up slowly to a safe level and let people pass (if that is allowed at your event) whenever they want. You'll have more fun. Then again, if you're at an event with a bunch of beginners, you may be one of the fastest since a stock STi is more track-worthy than most and pretty easy to go fast in.

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Old 01-10-2005, 06:01 PM   #11
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Yeahhh buddy! This is right up my alley!

I have been driving a 1977 911S for a couple of seasons now, both at PCA and SCCA, but once I drove a WRX, I sold the Porsche and bought this new wagon. I raced it twice last season without any modís. Once in SCCA where I was not used to all the tight turns, and ran decent, but slid a lot.
The other event was at a good size track in the PCA club. There were about 40 cars, and about 8 were non-Porsches, including me. At the end, of the top 18 fastest, 6 were non-P-cars, including myself!
I picked up about 5 seconds from 1:46 just going from the 911 to my new WRX
Since then, I have put modís on the car that should get me another few seconds, and should be in the top 10% I think.
SCCA is another matter, there were a lot of fast, highly modded cars there, but a WRX did get 5th out of around 45 cars there that day. (Over Vette's, Viper's, Miataís, etc.)
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Old 01-11-2005, 10:54 AM   #12
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neek its your instructor Bill. just wanted to back you up on how the subaru's did this past weekend. This was my first weekend as well in a subaru and i can tell you that i've never had so much fun in such a forgiving car. oh and neek i wouldn't be suprised if jeff sells the cobra and gets a suby as well. when we both owned mustangs we were waiting to see which one would turn to the darkside first. well all i have to say is the darkside is good. and more are definately on the way over from the other side.
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Old 01-11-2005, 11:08 AM   #13
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I thought all the PCA events were being closed to non-porsche owners? I'd love to bring the STi over to a Moroso event.
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Old 01-11-2005, 11:29 AM   #14
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PCA events are open to non-Porsche owners. You just can't be a PCA member. Members, of course, get a bit of a discount on the HPDE fee. So, you attend as a non-member and pay a little more. PCA is a good group of people and has great instructors.

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Old 01-11-2005, 11:33 AM   #15
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wanna bet?
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Old 01-11-2005, 01:59 PM   #16
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neek its your instructor Bill. just wanted to back you up on how the subaru's did this past weekend. This was my first weekend as well in a subaru and i can tell you that i've never had so much fun in such a forgiving car. oh and neek i wouldn't be suprised if jeff sells the cobra and gets a suby as well. when we both owned mustangs we were waiting to see which one would turn to the darkside first. well all i have to say is the darkside is good. and more are definately on the way over from the other side.
Good to hear from you Bill...you need a name change and quick.

Thanks to your help I was able to get comfortable on that new track in a new vehicle really very quickly.

Jeff and yourself are very good drivers/instructors.
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Old 01-11-2005, 02:41 PM   #17
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How much were the fees to run for the day? I have been invited out by PCA members that I auto-x with in the keys. But that was in my WRX and did not have the money to at that time.
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Old 01-11-2005, 02:51 PM   #18
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Registration was $200. You need to have a tech inspection prior. I had the shop swap my brake fluid and they did the inspection for free. You needed to bring a helmet. I also paid $40 for a disc of all the digital pictures that were taken of my car. Should be here in a week.
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Registration was $200. You need to have a tech inspection prior. I had the shop swap my brake fluid and they did the inspection for free. You needed to bring a helmet. I also paid $40 for a disc of all the digital pictures that were taken of my car. Should be here in a week.

It is not a tech inspection like at regular auto-x? Do you have to have it by a shop with some kind of waiver from them or something?
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Old 01-11-2005, 03:07 PM   #20
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It is not a tech inspection like at regular auto-x? Do you have to have it by a shop with some kind of waiver from them or something?
Yeah, you download the tech inspection and medical form from the website and bring the tech inspection form to one of their approved shops. After they fill it out and sign it you bring it to the track with you.
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rankink what autox do you do down in the keys? would it happen to be bay bottom crawl?
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Old 01-11-2005, 04:28 PM   #22
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rankink what autox do you do down in the keys? would it happen to be bay bottom crawl?

I race with EVSCC down in the lower keys. They are the club that puts on the Bay Bottom Crawl. Although, I have raced at all their other venues, I have never made it to the Crawl yet. Hopefully this year though.

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definately make it down there, it will be my 5th year. the best event i go to every year. just definately not to the faint of heart. probably about a dozen cars a year go off course. if it was a regular autox that would be fine but off course here is water and trees
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definately make it down there, it will be my 5th year. the best event i go to every year. just definately not to the faint of heart. probably about a dozen cars a year go off course. if it was a regular autox that would be fine but off course here is water and trees

I know exactly how the course is, they have the Serpentine coming up next month. Which is basically the Crawl in reverse, so I am familiar with the course (backwards at least). They also run one called Snoopy & woodstock twice a year, that is also on another old road. Like 1.5 miles total each run and has three different timed sections as well.
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Hey Neek, It's me, Kira... ya know... the one that passed you?! What an awesome weekend! Oh yeah, and hi Billy. Please let me out of the trunk. That is no way to treat your girlfriend!
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