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Old 01-11-2005, 04:26 PM   #1
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Question Xede vs Cobb vs Utek... serious inquiry

Here is the thing. I am not looking for a TON of extra power, but I do want to have an STi that is significantly quicker then stock. The thing is I have no clue about ECU upgrades and engine management, I really just cant grasp much of an understanding about them. Whatever I do I will require professional tuning and installation (except Cobb which seems straight forward) and I would like reliability.
My concerns are that if I go with Cobb I will be happy at first and feel confident in the cars reliability, but end up unhappy because I do not have enough "conservative" power; what I mean is that I want to feel that the car is running safely... but at the same time I dont want to feel that it is running too safely and therefore sacrificing a lot of extra "umph".
It will annoy me if I go with Cobb stg 2 then soon after I hear that people with utec stage 2 are running with no problems and making much more HP and TQ.
What do you guys honestly think will be the best way to go? I know it is still early, but I really want to do the best I can to avoid disappointment. My power performance plans will not exceed a TBE, ECU and maybe an intake and downpipe. I would like to end up around a 12.4 (if I was considered a really good driver).
I have no intention of ever getting a bigger turbo... etc.
Thank you in advance for your help.
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Old 01-11-2005, 06:40 PM   #2
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just pick the company that you "trust" the most. All 3 are going to give comparable numbers (Xede, AP, Utec) with a "base map." All 3 have shown that with a turboback exhaust and engine management and "capable driver" you can run ~12.5-12.7 @ 107-110 mph.

12.4 is probably not going to happen if you limit your mods to just TBE and computer.
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Old 01-11-2005, 07:26 PM   #3
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im new to subaru, so I honestly dont have a company i trust
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Old 01-11-2005, 07:51 PM   #4
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I would narrow down for either Cobb or Utec. Both of them have tons of online help and resouces. Xede doesn't seem to be as popular as other two.
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Old 01-11-2005, 08:55 PM   #5
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EcuTeck I think is pretty good. It also depends on how much you want to spend. Cobb is the cheapest of the three I believe but you need to follow their mods setup. If you want to choose what you want then go with a programable ECU such as EcuTeck or Utec. They are more expensive because of the cost of custom dyno tuning you need to do. They tune the ECU to your modificaition setup. In Cobb's case, the programs maps are free but again, you need to follow what they say you need to do to your car.

Personally, I went with Cobb because of price. The power that I get is good enough. Im planning to go Stage 2 (280HP) and stop there for a while. If you want more power, then go with the other EM choices.
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Old 01-11-2005, 08:56 PM   #6
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Cobb's tunes are safe. UTEC's tunes(off the shelf) are safe too, but they leave room for improvement(as well as Cobb's). Cobb doesn't have the Accesstuner out yet(they say 1st quarter of '05), while UTEC you can spend some more money on with a dyno tune and get a more aggressive tune. If you find a local tuner that you can trust, I'd say get a UTEC. You can eek out a few more HP and TQ with it.

12.4 would be possible, but the driver has to be dang good, and you better have headers and an intake on it.

Me personally I went with the AP(Cobb's EM). I like the "set it and forget it" mentality. There's room for power, but I'm happy where I am now with what I got...



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Old 01-11-2005, 09:33 PM   #7
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Out of those 3 I'd have to say pick Cobb. The other 2 are piggyback systems and if you ask me they suck the a s s. A flash for your oem ecu or a standalone will be a much better choice then any piggyback that works on the pricipals of lieing to your oem ecu to get it to do things. Ultimatly if you have the money go with EcuTek, but if you want somethings that's a quick flash and will allow future tunability (AccessTuner) go with the Cobb.
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Old 01-12-2005, 01:01 AM   #8
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i just got an Accessport yesterday...its sweet. I have an APS turboback with cat and am running Stage 2 with boost levels at 17.3-17.6. Car keeps pulls muuuch better than stock and i have yet to hear a single person with an accessport to blow an engine or have any major problems. Plus, if u ever decide to do more upgrades to you car you can always sell the Accessport since u get hardware with it. If u can an ecutek reflash you don't get any hardware so u can't really resell anything. I am planning on doing more mods in the future but for now i needed an Accessport to keep my from overboosting and running things much safely. Once i am ready to do more mods (bigger turbo, fuel pump, injectors...etc.) i will sell the accessport and go with a UTEC.

I recommend accessport if u meet Cobb's prerequisits(spelling?) found on their site www.cobbtuning.com

Enjoy!
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