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Old 01-18-2005, 10:23 AM   #1
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Default Why did it take the Empire just over 20 years to build the 1st Deathstar?

Ok, this is one of them Star Wars geek questions that I hope is answered in the Ep. III.

In Ep. II, you have Duku with the plans for 'The' Death Star.

To establish this timeline of 20 years... Leia and Luke haven't been born yet in Ep II, and in Ep IV they destroy the 1st Death Star... figuring they were about 20 years old (probably older).

It took them 20 years to build the 1st one. Then, Ep. V comes out and *BAM* there's now a new 'Fully Functional' new Death Star just a few years later.

Here's the meat of the question... was there some sort of Imperial Union they had to go through and THAT'S why it took so long?
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:23 AM   #2
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Unionized labor.
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:24 AM   #3
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:24 AM   #4
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:24 AM   #5
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:24 AM   #6
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Take your IBsomething and shove up each other's asses!

Randal: So they build another Death Star, right?
Dante: Yeah.
Randal: Now the first one they built was completed and fully operational before the Rebels destroyed it.
Dante: Luke blew it up. Give credit where it's due.
Randal:And the second one was still being built when they blew it up.
Dante: Compliments of Lando Calrissian.
Randal: Something just never sat right with me the second time they destroyed it. I could never put my finger on it-something just wasn't right.
Dante: And you figured it out?
Randal: Well, the thing is, the first Death Star was manned by the Imperial army-storm troopers, dignitaries- the only people onboard were Imperials.
Dante: Basically.
Randal: So when they blew it up, no prob. Evil is punished.
Dante: And the second time around...?
Randal: The second time around, it wasn't even finished yet. They were still under construction.
Dante: So?
Randal: A construction job of that magnitude would require a helluva lot more manpower than the Imperial army had to offer. I'll bet there were independent contractors working on that thing: plumbers, aluminum siders, roofers.
Dante: Not just Imperials, is what you're getting at.
Randal: Exactly. In order to get it built quickly and quietly they'd hire anybody who could do the job. Do you think the average storm trooper knows how to install a toilet main? All they know is killing and white uniforms.
Dante: All right, so even if independent contractors are working on the Death Star, why are you uneasy with its destruction?
Randal: All those innocent contractors hired to do a job were killed- casualties of a war they had nothing to do with. (notices Dante's confusion) All right, look-you're a roofer, and some juicy government contract comes your way; you got the wife and kids and the two-story in suburbia-this is a government contract, which means all sorts of benefits. All of a sudden these left-wing militants blast you with lasers and wipe out everyone within a three-mile radius. You didn't ask for that. You have no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living.
(The Blue-Collar Man (Thomas Burke) joins them.)
Blue-Collar Man: Excuse me. I don't mean to interrupt, but what were you talking about?
Randal: The ending of Return of the Jedi.
Dante: My friend is trying to convince me that any contractors working on the uncompleted Death Star were innocent victims when the space station was destroyed by the rebels.
Blue-Collar Man: Well, I'm a contractor myself. I'm a roofer... (digs into pocket and produces business card) Dunn and Reddy Home Improvements. And speaking as a roofer, I can say that a roofer's personal politics come heavily into play when choosing jobs.
Randal: Like when?
Blue-Collar Man: Three months ago I was offered a job up in the hills. A beautiful house with tons of property. It was a simple reshingling job, but I was told that if it was finished within a day, my price would be doubled. Then I realized whose house it was.
Dante: Whose house was it?

Blue-Collar Man: Dominick Bambino's.
Randal: "Babyface" Bambino? The gangster?
Blue-Collar Man: The same. The money was right, but the risk was too big. I knew who he was, and based on that, I passed the job on to a friend of mine.
Dante: Based on personal politics.
Blue-Collar Man: Right. And that week, the Foresci family put a hit on Babyface's house. My friend was shot and killed. He wasn't even finished shingling.
Randal: No way!
Blue-Collar Man: (paying for coffee) I'm alive because I knew there were risks involved taking on that particular client. My friend wasn't so lucky. (pauses to reflect) You know, any contractor willing to work on that Death Star knew the risks. If they were killed, it was their own fault. A roofer listens to this... (taps his heart) not his wallet.
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:24 AM   #7
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:24 AM   #8
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Independant contractors. And a lot of plumbing
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:29 AM   #9
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The union rep for the first Deathstar was a wookie?

"New plan, let the wookie win"
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:31 AM   #10
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They didn't have all the clones yet. Once they had them, they had an adequate labor force.

Plus once you've done something before, it's easier the second time around.
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:31 AM   #11
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i'm guessing they finally got ISO9001 compliant for the second model and had refined their manufacturing processes.
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:35 AM   #12
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i'm guessing they finally got ISO9001 compliant for the second model and had refined their manufacturing processes.
Haha. Two words:

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Old 01-18-2005, 10:35 AM   #13
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Or, they wanted a fleet of them, and they already started construction of a second when the first blew up.

Or, plumbers.
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:37 AM   #14
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Or, they wanted a fleet of them, and they already started construction of a second when the first blew up.

Or, plumbers.
Just like in Contact.

it took a year to build the first one, and with in a week they had a second one almost completed.
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:38 AM   #15
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The first one would have been done sooner, but someone had been reading the plans upside down.
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:43 AM   #16
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Union labor (resulting in strikes, walk-outs, etc) is what delayed the first Deathstar for 20 years and bringing the total cost in 250% over budget.

The second time around they went with contractors, which resulting in an on-time product of better quality at only 245% over budget.
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:44 AM   #17
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Because that's the way George Lucas wrote it.
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:44 AM   #18
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The second time around they went with contractors, which resulting in an on-time product of better quality at only 245% over budget.
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:45 AM   #19
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Union labor (resulting in strikes, walk-outs, etc) is what delayed the first Deathstar for 20 years and bringing the total cost in 250% over budget.

The second time around they went with contractors, which resulting in an on-time product of better quality at only 245% over budget.
And it was fully functional before it was finished the 2nd time around which meant better planning from the get-go, learning from their prior mistakes... Another point for teh contractors!
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:46 AM   #20
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Because that's the way George Lucas wrote it.
wrong, this a true story being translated by Geroge Lucas. Kinda like the guy who founded teh mormons...atleast, that's what south park said.
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:46 AM   #21
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In Ep 3..The DS is built on Mustafaar..its a volcanic planet used for its resources to build the DS...Umm..unionized clones maybe?
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:48 AM   #22
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It was the coddamn military-industrial complex machine...same everwhar...
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:49 AM   #23
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Robots and "The (dark side of the) Force" built it.

Everyone knows that. Hell, The Force is basically magic. Magic, baby! It can do anything.
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:52 AM   #24
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Just like in Contact.

it took a year to build the first one, and with in a week they had a second one almost completed.
No in contact it was something like 'why build one, when you can build 2 at twice the price'. Meaning they were building 2 of them, just kept 1 a secret.
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Old 01-18-2005, 10:55 AM   #25
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Um, it was built in space...

and we all know the following:
[Khan Voice]
It's very cold in space, Kirk.
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No one likes working in the cold.


KHAN!!!!

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