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Old 01-20-2005, 08:51 PM   #1
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E6K into 2000 RS. im getting no trigger signal, i know its wired correctly and im pretty sure all the ecu settings are correct but i still get nothing. Also i noticed that the side of my coil with the #1 cylinder on it is getting warm to the touch even though there is no spark and the car hasent been on that long. Im assuming i have a problem there too but i cant tell till i get this trigger figured out. Oh by the way 8complex if you read this, my e6k is your actual old unit. All your settings are still there.
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Old 01-21-2005, 10:14 PM   #2
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my settings are as follows:
Trig input- Reluctor Home input-reluctor
Trig mode-adaptive Home gain-5
trig gain-5 number of teeth-6
trig angle-63 tooth ofset-1
trigg type-subaru coils on 4cyl motor-2
spark mode- direct fire
engine type-piston
output type-constant charge
coil charge time-3.0
output edge-falling
crank to trigger and cam to home input and the remaining single wire from each reluctor is spiced together and sent to trigger ground.
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Old 01-22-2005, 12:05 PM   #3
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help...somebody....please
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Old 01-25-2005, 08:17 PM   #4
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Old 01-25-2005, 08:18 PM   #5
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haltech sucks... grrrrrrrrrr
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Old 01-26-2005, 12:35 PM   #6
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is there any way you can post a table of your ignition at RPM vs load in like a table form?
Sorry, I dont know at all about your ignition problem, just the guess that if your col is getting warm then use a meter or a scope across it and see if there is any pulsed input at all or if it is getting 12v across it the whole time and trace back from there..
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Old 01-26-2005, 01:06 PM   #7
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Just saw this now...

You're not picking up a crank or cam signal at all? Have you made sure to ground all the engine harnesses properly? There are a lot of grounds that need to be jumpered, otherwise the sensors won't be making a complete circuit.

Regarding the coilpack... you might want to check to see if it is in Constant Charge or Constant Duty. I don't remember what mine was set to, but I could dig up some old maps, if you like.

So you bought my Haltech from the RX7 guy that I sold it to on the RX7 Club forums? If you don't mind my asking, what did you end up paying for it?
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Old 01-26-2005, 06:50 PM   #8
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Thank god you (8complex) responded im starting to lose it here. lol. Yeah the rx7 guy is my buddy jake. He ended up buying a Wolf 3D to run his car, which buy the way we just fired up. He sold it to me for 650 with a 3 bar map sensor. Well with regards to the grounds, i thought if the the haltech has ground and i know it does because all my other sensors work, it wouldent matter because the triggers get thier ground right from the haltech trigger ground. But your smarter than me on this so im probobly wrong. The way i wired the haltech in was i took the stock harness out of the car and wired the appropriate haltech wires to the connectors between the bulkhead harness and the engine harness(just for your fyi). So, all the wires i didnt replace with new ones are still in the harness for the time being so i could hook up the remaining grounds that are still there. Could you tell me a rough idea of what has to be jumped/connected? I dont know if you maps would work that well on my car, im yousing a td04 with 750cc injectors but anything helps! Thanks for your help!
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Old 01-26-2005, 06:53 PM   #9
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By the way if you mean the grounds in the engine harness, i dont know about those. I used the harness that came with it. If its one you yoused than it should work. I didnt screw with it, i just connected it.
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Old 01-27-2005, 07:45 PM   #10
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Hello, just a little follow up, im not sure if eric can get online today so ill post on his behalf, now that i have you partialy confused I am the guy working with eric/ the 'rx7 guy' that re-sold the haltech

The only thing we worked on today was trying to get a cam/crank signal to the e6k and actualy registaring an rpm, i dont belive he did anything with the warm coil issue

By turning over the engine and hooking up a multi-meter we determined which of the leads from each reluctor was + and hooked them up to the trigger inputs of the haltech harness. Still nothing. Eric switched the leads to actualy give a - input to the trigger inputs and there was no change.

In all reality, it shouldnt matter which way they are wired up right? If they are one way you would just set the triggers to 'rising edge' and alternatly the other way would be 'falling edge' correct?

In regards to the grounds eric grounded the reluctors though the ground the map sensor was using knowing that it was a good ground (while turning the engine over the data page was registering a vacume) Even hooked up like that we still nothing displayed on the data page

8complex, you mention 'alot of grounds' What do you mean by this? As of now we have the reluctors wired directly to the haltech using some leads from a hacked up spare engine harness. The shilding doesnt need to be grounded does it?

If you could dig up some of your old maps i know it would help. Right now all we have is the map that was left on the e6k. It is a start, but having an additonal map to double check settings would be a big plus

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Old 01-27-2005, 08:27 PM   #11
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Hey, send me over an email and I'll email you a few maps. I sent you my new email address earlier today.

If you look through the wiring diagram for the RS, you will see that the ECU actually provides ground to 3-5 circuits on the engine, and that each of those have to be grounded for it all to work correctly. I think I have the wiring diagrams scanned in at home, so I can email you those as well.
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Old 01-27-2005, 09:10 PM   #12
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I pulled out 90% of my hair trying to get a haltech to work on my suby. I had the older E6S which didnt have direct support for the suby trigger. I had the same problem with one side of the coil over heating(and burning up) when the ign switch is turned on for a long period of time. I was never able to get the subaru ignitor to work with the haltech, I ended up using a bosch unit. I had nothing but software problems and never got the haltech fully straighten out. I may have some maps around but I was using 55lb injectors. Hope you have better luck then me.
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Old 01-28-2005, 02:44 AM   #13
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From the last map that I ran:

Trigger Input: Int. Reluctor
Trigger Gain: 5
Trigger Mode: Adaptive
Trigger Angle BTDC: 63

Home Input: Int. Reluctor
Home Gain: 5

Trigger Type: Subaru
Trigger Teeth: 6
Tooth Offset: 1

Spark Mode: Direct Fire
Engine Type: Piston
Output Type: Constant Charge
Coil Charge Time (ms): 3.0
Output Edge: Falling
Coils on 4cyl Motor: 2



That is about everything for that setup... I am still using my same stock coilpack to this day (with the stock ECU again now). If you look at the ECU pinouts (1, 2, 3) you will see on the 3rd page that at the bottom there is 5 sets of grounds for the motor that need to be hooked up properly.

Also, just a side thought... but the power source you have running to the ECU main power is one that does not turn off while you are cranking, right? That can cause lots of frustrating problems...
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Old 01-28-2005, 06:29 PM   #14
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Thoes settings look very close to what we were trying. Only thing that I see diff off the top of my head is trigger gain which we had set to 3. Although we did change it at one point it didnt change anything.

As to engine grounds. im not sure what the deal is with thoes. ill bring it up to him if he doesnt read this himself. I myself didnt really have anything to do with wiring and re-installing of the harness's

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Old 01-30-2005, 10:57 AM   #15
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DId you recive any of my email's? I have sent 2 more
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Old 01-31-2005, 10:39 PM   #16
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Old 01-31-2005, 11:54 PM   #17
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No, I hadn't gotten any of them... I will send you one from this forum link real quick, just reply to that one.

Edit: Doh, email is turned off for you, so I sent you a PM instead with my email in it.
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Old 04-25-2005, 03:23 PM   #18
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hey!
I am currently trying to wire in a haltech e6x to my 2000 rs with a ej20 in it. if you still have any wiring diagrams or anything i could definately use them!
thanks for your help
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Old 04-27-2005, 09:52 PM   #19
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yeah sorry i sold my piece of crap haltech. what a piece of junk. anyway the only diagrams used were the subaru ones from the service manual. i bought a wolf 3d ver4. kick ass ecu
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Old 04-28-2005, 09:42 AM   #20
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Just becaue you don't understand something doesn't make it a piece of junk...

u6t9 - wish I could help, but I just pulled out all my stock engine harness and used the haltech one - my suggestion would be to go to the dealer and get the wiring manual(s) that apply to your setup, if you don't understand them pay a professional to do it.
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Old 04-28-2005, 11:22 AM   #21
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so you dont even need the factory harness? because i've got the haltech harness....i thought you needed the factory one for some reason.
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Old 04-29-2005, 03:12 PM   #22
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There are two "main" ways to do this - you can hook up the haltech harness to the exsisting wiring (this may be the earier way) or you can take teh stock engine/ecu harness out entirely and use the haltech harness and sensors (more difficult)

again, this isn't the sort of thing you want to take on unless you knwo EXACTLY waht you are doing - i would hate to have learned from the beginning doing my car.
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