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Old 01-24-2005, 03:39 PM   #1
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URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT

Legislation to Allow Reasonable Exhaust System Modifications

Introduced in Virginia

Legislation (H.B. 2895) that would allow Virginiaís vehicle hobbyists to install and use aftermarket modified exhaust systems that meet a 95-decibel limit under a fair and predictable test standard has been introduced in the Virginia State Legislature by Delegate William Fralin (Del_Fralin@house.state.va.us)



We Urge You to Contact Your Virginia State Legislators Immediately to Support H.B. 2895

∑ H.B. 2895 would remove subjective provisions in the law and force compliance with an objectively measured standard. Under the standard, exhaust noise could not exceed a sound reading of 95-decibels under a fair and predictable test (Society of Automotive Engineers J1169 - May 1998).

∑ H.B. 2895 would benefit consumers, the aftermarket industry and police officers who are charged with enforcing the law.

∑ H.B. 2895 would remedy the enforcement policy currently used by police officers in which nearly all exhaust systems not of a type installed as standard factory equipment are considered illegal - even where noise levels are not excessive or unusual. This policy leaves enthusiasts, exhaust system manufacturers and dealers without recourse.

∑ H.B. 2895 recognizes that aftermarket exhaust systems are designed to make vehicles run more efficiently without increasing emissions.

∑ H.B. 2895 recognizes that aftermarket exhaust systems offer increased durability and performance, which can make a vehicle safer by improving its ability to merge, pass, travel uphill, etc.

∑ H.B. 2895 challenges the erroneous assumption that enthusiasts who equip their vehicles with modified exhaust systems are involved in illegal street racing.

Contact Delegate Fralin (Del_Fralin@house.state.va.us)to thank him. Contact your own state legislators in Richmond immediately by phone, fax or e-mail to request their support for this legislation
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If you need assistance in determining who your legislators are and their contact information, please contact the Virginia Legislatureís General Information Line at (804) 698-1500. This information can also be obtained by calling the SEMA Washington, D.C. office at 202/783-6007, ext. 38 or via the Internet at http://www.semasan.com/ContactYourLegislator.aspx Please e-mail a copy of your letter to stevem@sema.org or fax to 202/783-6024 or mail to:

SEMA Washington Office

1317 F Street, NW, Suite 500

Washington, DC 20004

Attention: Steve McDonald
This is no joke

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...051+ful+HB2895

Thats the exact wording of what the new bill would be!
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Old 01-24-2005, 03:57 PM   #2
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Now we just need to know exactly what the standard testing procedures will be.
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Old 01-24-2005, 04:09 PM   #3
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Just sent my letter via email from the www.semasan.com
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Old 01-24-2005, 04:32 PM   #4
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Anyone want to write up a form email we can send?
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Old 01-24-2005, 04:36 PM   #5
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Any objective test is better than the subjective "tests" we have now. There's zero reason not to do this. Now I just need to figure out which of the 5 representatives that showed up is mine. & it doesn't have my address in the system.
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Old 01-24-2005, 04:58 PM   #6
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[StupidComment] Okay this is strange. The SAE Standard that is referenced in the bill appears to have been cancelled by SAE in January 1992: [/StupidComment]



EDIT: OOPS!! My bad ... kinda transposed some numbers there ...

J1169 is still valid. Carry on ...
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Old 01-24-2005, 05:15 PM   #7
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I don't live in virginia, but remember - a written letter > phone call > fax > e-mail. If you have the time and inclination, do it right and tell them in a way that forces them to pay attention and shows you actually care. There's a lot more weight to a note that somebody wrote up, put in an envelope and mailed than that someone clicked twice to send.
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Old 01-24-2005, 08:47 PM   #8
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Can we get a mod to sticky this post until the law either gets passed or tossed out of the legislature??
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Old 01-24-2005, 11:08 PM   #10
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is virginia finely coming around!? wow, this made my day. I will definitly send them a letter or communique of some sort, filled with micro-fish.
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For all you wondering how loud a 95dB exhaust is, as tested by SAE-J1169, APS tests all of thier exhausts with this standard and the results can be seen in the table on this page:
http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/us...wrx-hoe-r1.htm



The "R5" exhausts are the 3.5" versions - so all but their 3.5" exhausts would now be legal under the new exhaust noise regulation. That's AWESOME!
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This law is good and bad. Good as there will be a standard. Bad because it will still be a hassle. While researching for my dB testing, these are the same standards as California's laws. You can still get pulled over and ticketed for your exhaust. You will then have to get tested, you footing the bill of course. The officers may use the documentation provided with your exhaust (APS, Borla, and perhaps a few others have this) at the time of the traffic stop. Then again, he could say whatever and you will still have to get tested. Even though your exhaust is "95dB legal", who is to say it won't errode over a year and not be compliant? I just wanted to point out that this law isn't our savior and that many exhaust owners such as Helix, HKS, and others will not have a prayer. Since this law now may soon apply to us, I will probably start doing some "SAEJ1169 Testing" as a guideline for us. My meter isn't certified to do this testing, but ballpark figures may help some of us.


Testing is done at 4000 RPM for WRX/STi

The biggest crock of this new bill is as follows: "For the purposes of this section, a motorcycle shall not be deemed a motor vehicle." Harleys with drag pipes still get a free ride.
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Old 01-25-2005, 09:46 AM   #13
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I am probably the only one hoping it dosent pass. This will make all of the 92 Tercels in Manassas with pepboys exhaust legal - and once they find this out they will multiply, and I will never get any sleep.
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You can still get pulled over and ticketed for your exhaust. You will then have to get tested, you footing the bill of course.
So you'd rather stick with the current law which states any exhaust louder than stock is illegal, thus making any ticket given for an aftermarket exhaust legitimate? I'd rather be able to go to court and shove the test results up the officer's ass.

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I just wanted to point out that this law isn't our savior and that many exhaust owners such as Helix, HKS, and others will not have a prayer.
Owners of Helix, HKS, and others should grow the hell up and get a quieter exhaust. Nobody wants to hear that ****. 95dB by the J1169 standard is PLENTY generous. It allows even the twin-outlet 3" catless APS exhaust which I would not classify as "quiet" at all.

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The biggest crock of this new bill is as follows: "For the purposes of this section, a motorcycle shall not be deemed a motor vehicle." Harleys with drag pipes still get a free ride.
You are misinformed if you believe this has anything to do with straight pipes on a motorcycle. Motorcycle noise is governed by a seperate section (15.2-919) which says the exhaust must be compliant 46.2-1047 which clearly states:

It shall be unlawful to sell or offer for sale any (i) muffler without interior baffle plates or other effective muffling device or (ii) gutted muffler, muffler cutout, or straight exhaust. It shall be unlawful for any person to operate on the highways in the Commonwealth a motor vehicle equipped with a gutted muffler, muffler cutout, or straight exhaust.

and will remain as is after HB 2895 passes.

So where is the issue exactly? Straight pipes ARE illegal and will remain illegal. Enforcement is the other issue.
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Anyone want to write up a form email we can send?
form emails are far less effective than individually composed letters. Come on, you don't have to say much other than "please vote YES on HB 2895" and give one or two reasons why you think we need the revision to the existing piece of crap law.

it's easy. use your words.
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Old 01-25-2005, 11:32 AM   #16
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Eh... sorry for being a uber n00b (who failed US. Govt class back in HS -_-), but who do I send the letter to exactly?

US Senate? Congressional district, senate district, or house district?
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you need to visit http://www.semasan.com/ContactYourLegislator.aspx and put in your zip code - then send it to the "Virignia House District __" delegate. That page allows it to be sent electronically... Please follow the directions in the first post. It outlines the three people to send it to.
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Old 01-25-2005, 11:50 AM   #18
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sorry, i didnt see the sticky.


It's been over 10 years since I wrote a representative... or studied US Government.. I want to make sure my letter goes to the right person.

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...051+ful+HB2895

I went to http://www.semasan.com/ContactYourLegislator.aspx and plugged in my zip code and it spit out the govener, the 2 Senator's,.. then the confusing part:

There are "Senate" districts and "House Districts"

The "Patron" of the bill is Fralin, that much I get. Who votes on a House Bill? Who should get my letter? my zip is 20151.
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that is a reasonable question for those who are infrequently involved in government. The simple answer is: Senators vote in the senate and Delegates or Representatives vote in the House. If it's a "House" bill, that means it's in the Virginia House of Representatives and thus will be voted on by district delegates.

The title will read: "Virginia House District __"

Aaron, you have two delegates (thanks to a high population concentration in your area) so write them both.
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Thank you... here is a response from Sema:



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Aaron:

Do you know the +4 part of your zipcode (e.g. 20151-_ _ _ _)? That
information will help me nail down your state senator and delegate in
Richmond.

Steve McDonald
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Using this site you can figure out your entire ZIP code:


http://zip4.usps.com/zip4/welcome.jsp

My ZIP is: 20151-2512

So i plugged "201512512" into the ContactYourLegislator site and was able to find my House rep:

Virginia House District 67 Delegate Gary A. Reese (R)
more information...
write this official...
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Fact of the matter is, no matter how the law is written, this isnt a "cure all."..but not many laws are. You can still get pulled over and harrased and ticketed, thats just the way it is...
Ok, so you go to court..your still having to take time off to plead your case. You can still get FUTURE tickets, its not as if the local po po will post your license plate on their frickin Bulletin Board with a "do not pull him for exhaust" sticky on it.
So, you can still get harrased. Look,not every one wants to hear a "loud" exhaust, true. Not everyone likes to hear weedwacker exhausts, truck exhaust, mororcylce exhausts, police sirens, air planes, babies crying, booming music out of cars, people whining, etc etc...the assumption that exhaust db somehow equates to maturity level is..well, immature. And how long does someone on the road REALLY have to hear someone elses exhaust??? I have yet to be irritated by even the most annoying of exhausts for more than a few minutes. I own a Helix system. I didnt buy it to be extra loud, or immature, or a "street racer". I bought it because for the price to performance to quality aspect, its one of the nicer exhausts I have seen. I wasnt even going to keep the axleback at first, just to avoid problems. Alot of local guys have been fortunate, so I took a chance. I lost. I suffer the consequences, I might have vented a little, but Im a grown a55 man, I can take it. Honestly though, its not a bad sounding exhaust. I think its pretty lame that certain vehicles get a free pass and others get the magnifying glass. The law also has little to do with "emissions". Emissions my arse, the big corporations get away with alot worse than my less restrictive exhaust lets into the air. Any notion that the govt, state, fed OR local, is concerned about your cars emissions is crap. Maybe Ralph Nader does, but thats about it!! Nonetheless, law is law, and instead of getting sweated, I took the damn thing off...
The old theory that asshatery gets you pulled over for exhaust is also bunk. Both times I was pulled over, I was doing the speed limit. As for the officers opinion, heh, opinion SHOULDNT dictate law, but it does. The law is so poorly written now, that it DOES need some change, or at least more specific wording. The new law is a step in the right direction, but I wont be running to bolt up another after market exhaust anytime soon.

Its esp laughable that they would put a db rating on exhaust. Around here, what little noise ordanance exists, they only really attempt to enforce at places like the VB oceanfront. How long will your "db test" be legal. Will you have to get it done EVERY time you get pulled, etc etc. Bottom line is, Im glad they are recognizing the need to correct the law. The law will never be "ideal" but hopefully it will be a little more specific, and take some of the street racer stigma off of performance exhausts. Again though, the individual officers opinion is what counts. So Ill stay with stock sounding or within that range.

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heres another post from my source

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Alright guys, I have an update. I talked to Steve from SEMA today. The bill was JUST introduced. Its not even in the house yet to be voted on. First it goes to committee (I think the transportation committee, Steve is checking on all the details for this). While the bill is in committee, we, the citizens of Virginia, will have a chance to speak. This will happen in Richmond, and as soon as the date is available it will be posted.

We really need people to come down to Richmond for this. Steve said it would be great to see it completely filled with supporters of the bill. More details will follow as more information becomes available.

If it makes it through committee it will go to the house for a vote. This is when your delegate will vote on it, and thatís why its important to contact them. If it passes that, it goes to the senate for a vote. We will once again need your help to contact your senator to support this bill.

One thing that Steve said he wanted done is for people to contact Delegate Fralin and thank him for introducing the bill. It was very difficult to get this introduced and we need to show our support for Delegates willing to help. So if you can, please write him as well thanking him for his support in introducing H.B. 2895

This is just the beginning to make this bill a reality. It will take a lot more hard work for this to pass. Keep your eyes open for more updates from SEMA, and get ready to write again. Thank you for everyone that has helped.

-Mike
and in addition, if you are REALLY lazy here is a template letter

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/ahoai/Dear%20Delegate.doc

I want to add, I do not live in virginia as a resident now but go to virginia tech, but naturally many students from tech including me end up moving to the DC area and this could cause me to take permanent residency in VA so I am trying to do all I can.
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Hmmm..once this date is available Im down for an HR drive to Richmond meet. After all, this is a step in the right direction

."You're standing right now with 9 delegates from 100 gangs. And there's a hundred more. That's 20 thousand hard core members! 40,000 counting affiliates, and 20,000 more not organized, but ready to fight. 60,000 soldiers. Now there ain't but 20,000 police in the whole town. Can you dig it? Can you dig it? CAAAANNN YOUUUU DIG ITTT!
Now here's the sum total. One gang could run this city. One gang. nothing would move, without us allowing it to happen. Tax the crime syndicates, the police, because we've got the street, suckers!CAAAANNN YOUUUU DIG ITTT!" -Cyrus "The Warriors"
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