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Old 01-27-2005, 06:21 AM   #1
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Default 2005 Ice Racing Updates! - Latest update 2/6/05

Update from Stan Jr.

A personal prediction (for a number of reasons) is that it will get pushed out a week and will actually start on 2/13.

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Yes, we have ice! And yes, we did receive some snow. Though nowhere near what most of you received. We got about 9 inches, but it has mostly blown off the ice. There is some snow remaining on the ice near shore, which is preventing that part from thickening as quickly. I am now officially declaring Saturday, February 5th as the first possible Ice Race of the season. That date is definitely tentative. Note it is a Saturday, not a Sunday. The 6th is SuperBowl Sunday with the Patriots facing the Eagles down in Jacksonville.

Unfortunately, my schedule has not opened up as I expected. I know the website is not updated and I know the registration system is not open. It is my fault and has nothing to do with the Webmaster. I will get something set up as quick as I am able. Stay tuned, for further updates and thank you for your patience!

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Old 01-27-2005, 06:50 AM   #2
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We should just see if a moderator can make a sticky thread here called:

2005 BMW Ice Racing Updates

and then these can all be posted in one thread every week as they come in. It will make things much easier than just posting the update each week in a new thread.

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Old 01-27-2005, 09:29 AM   #3
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Thank you most excellent mod type person!

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Old 01-27-2005, 10:46 AM   #4
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So who else is running class Y this year?
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Old 01-27-2005, 11:02 AM   #5
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Y=4WD + snow/ice tires, right?

that would be me
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Old 01-27-2005, 11:16 AM   #6
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Class X: All-wheel-drive cars or trucks with non-snow tires (or summer tires)
Class Y: All-wheel-drive cars or trucks with snow tires
Class Z: All-wheel-drive cars or trucks with ice/snow (super-snow) tires

Some examples of Super snow tires are:
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Bridgestone Blizzak: MZ-01, MZ-02, WS-50, LM-22, WS-15
Bridgestone Winter Dueler
Cooper Weather-Master XGR
Dunlop Graspic: DS-1, HS-1, HS-2
Dunlop Grandtrek SJ4
Goodyear Ultra Grip Ice
Mastercraft Glacier-Grip XT
Michelin Alpin: Arctic, Pilot, XM+S, XM+S 330, XM+S 100
Nokian Hakkapeliitta Q and CQ
Nokian Hakkapeliitta 2 and C2
Pirelli Winter Ice: Plus, Sport, Asimmetrico, Direzionale
Pirelli Winter 190P Ice + 210P Ice
Roadmaster Wintermaster XRT: (Dean Wintermaster XRT) (Starfire Wintermaster XRT)
Yokohama Guardex: 600, F720, F310, F340
iamrazor: I think you'll be in Class Z. That is what I ran in when I had Artic Alpines.

I'll be running in class Y again this year Chris.

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Old 01-27-2005, 11:21 AM   #7
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you're right. I'm in Z.
since i have "super-snow" tires, i "should" be super-fast
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Old 01-27-2005, 11:25 AM   #8
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you're right. I'm in Z.
since i have "super-snow" tires, i "should" be super-fast
Actually, it's more like:

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you're right. I'm in Z.
since i have "super-snow" tires, i "should" be about 2-3 seconds slower than any Jackson family member in my class.
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Old 01-27-2005, 11:34 AM   #9
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"should" meaning "more like 5-7 seconds slower". remember, this will be my rookie season.
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Old 01-27-2005, 12:10 PM   #10
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I'm looking forward to being faster than some folks in Clazz Z again this year.
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Old 01-27-2005, 01:33 PM   #11
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I'll be running in class Y again this year Chris.
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Old 01-29-2005, 08:17 AM   #12
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That's the whole "super snow" list? IMO Artic Alipins (what I'm running now) are a far cry from many of those tires, and should just be normal snows. It looks like the Green Diamonds were removed from the super list as well.

So anything not listed there is a normal snow?
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Keep in mind that what Paul posted was last year's list. Always possible that the Jackson's may make modifications for this season. Best way to find out for sure is to ask Stan Jr.
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Keep in mind that what Paul posted was last year's list. Always possible that the Jackson's may make modifications for this season. Best way to find out for sure is to ask Stan Jr.
Yeah, that is the list from the website. Every year he sort of deals with the newer stuff on a case by case basis. When I picked up the Nordmans I sent him a link, he reviewed the information and classed the tire for me, since I wasn't sure.

An artic alpine might not be as good as some of the other super snows, but it is a snow/ice tire. It says right on it. FWIW I placed in the top 3 for the season with my 2002 WRX wagon with Artic Alpine running in class Z. I thought they were excellent. Best snow/ice tire I've had to date.

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I edited my post above to point out that isn't the complete list.
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Old 01-29-2005, 12:24 PM   #16
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That's the whole "super snow" list? IMO Artic Alipins (what I'm running now) are a far cry from many of those tires, and should just be normal snows. It looks like the Green Diamonds were removed from the super list as well.

So anything not listed there is a normal snow?

I think the Alpins are one of the best ice tires Ive ever used. Not the greatest in the snow, but excellent on the ice. Probably the only better ice tire Ive used were Hakka Qs.
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Yes, I should have been more specific. On ice and thin snow they're good. For the last few weeks of driving around on packed powder (sometimes over a few inches deep), they were unimpressive. They seem to get overwhelmed and clog up. Depending on the lake conditions they could probably be quite competetive. I really miss those Green Diamonds, wish they had their act together.
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Gotcha. I think they class them as Supers because the courses have typically been glare ice.
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woohoo, I'm "super".

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Looking forward to seeing how the new Legacy does. Hopefully the saturday event will happen. Count me in if it's on
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An update from Stan Jr. that is not good news. The weather outlook for Bristol over the next 10 days is for above freezing weather. We could very well end up with no ice racing on Newfound this year.

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-- Boston Chapter Ice Racing Bulletin for January 30, 2005 --

Sponsored by Foreign Motors West and Bavarian Autosport -- Thank You!


If you don't care about commentary, the event status details are in the
last paragraph.

It is really amazing that after all these years we are still learning new
things about the ice. Back when I was a little kid in the late '70's and
early '80's, the BMW Club and the Porsche Club would pretty much just come
up and run. Somehow they hired a local person to plow the entrance at the
Wagon Wheel restaurant (gone) and I don't know if they ever bothered to
check the ice thickness. These years, it seems we always have something
new to discover. For example, we only realized a few years ago the
insulating effect that even a few inches of snow can have in preventing
the ice from thickening. Of course, it does not help that Newfound Lake
freezes in mid-January now as opposed to late December back then. I saw
on a recent news program a discussion about how the weather had become
very erratic THIS year -- what idiots! The weather started becoming
erratic at least 3 years ago, if not 4-5. Or maybe it is just a long-term
cycle ...

The news is not good. We have a major problem along the shoreline. A
small ridge has formed near shore, but only in a few places. Somehow
related to that ridge, we have water on top of the ice (and openings
through the ice) along much of the west shore of the lake. It really
looks more like March 15th than January 30th out there. Which is
amazingly strange, given the brutally cold weather of the last couple of
weeks. I can't explain why the ice has buckled the way it has and
apparently refused to re-freeze given the time of year.

The best I can theorize, is as follows. I'm guessing that the lake water
was not really ready to freeze. The extreme cold combined with whipping
winds managed to supercool the surface of the lake. This caused the
surface to freeze before it otherwise would have. It is a previously
discovered fact that a simple drill hole in the ice will easily re-freeze
in January or February, but will not in mid to late March. By March the
lake water has warmed, and the air simply cannot re-freeze it once it has
opened up, despite the cold ice surrounding the hole. Given the
significant amount of open water near shore, and the openings through the
ice, I figure it must still be too warm to freeze. This only a theory,
but I suppose it really does not matter.

As of now, we cannot access the lake from the Ledges Condominiums, and I
cannot believe that could change by next weekend under any circumstances.
Even if it did, there is a significant question as to whether the ice will
be thick enough by then. Most of the snow that we have received (9 inches
from the blizzard and another 5 after that) has blown off, but not all of
it near shore. It is possible to access the lake from Wellington State
Park, but again, it is unclear as to whether we could then drive down to
the area in front of the Ledges.


The decision has been made to POSTPONE any Ice Racing activities until
Sunday February 20th. I know that some of you (including the Iceman
himself) will be attending the AMEC time trial in NY on the 12th. They
also have wheel-to-wheel racing on the 13th. I believe they are filled
up, but you could head out there to watch. Keep your fingers crossed and
keep thinking COLD!


See you on the ice,

- Stan Jackson Jr., Ice Racing Coordinator
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Where's my "crying into my beer" emoticon?
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Old 01-31-2005, 07:42 AM   #23
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Ya, guess I shouldn't make a post like that without listing other possible options.

As some/many of you have heard, registration for Studs on Ice is closed. They reached their make number of registrations in record time.

The Sports Car Club of VT is still holding events, and they time trial rather than wheel to wheel just like the BMW events. You can find more info in this thread:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=707351

HTH,
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no mention of stinson's condition.
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Ice Racing online Pre-Registraton is open!


See you on the ice,

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