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Old 01-30-2005, 09:59 AM   #26
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Well, I wouldn't count on our 93oct gas any better than cali 91. We do run 10% methanol year round so we don't have good gas. Also, if you are tlaking about the holiday in Forest lake, that is bad stuff. Remember, anything that is good for the planet is bad for making power. Check out mnsubaru.com, we have a list of all the good places to get gas in the cities.

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Old 01-30-2005, 10:47 AM   #27
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My car, I don't even have a maf tube. Filter is clamped right on to the intake tube, and my V8 intake manifold has a temp sensor I'm using (instead of the one on the MAF). I end up with much more accurate intake temps that way as well, as the temps are post turbo (and intercooler for that matter).
I've been wanting to do that also but since I broke my second gear I've had other things on my mind. I thought about tapping the intake manifold and putting in an air temp sensor so I can get rid of the maf. Maybe I'll just get a ver8 intake manifold. Some recently offered one and some cash to traded for my TMIC.
Anyway, to stay on topic, my vote is for the Hydra. I have used/tuned the utec and hydra and find the the hydra gives me better consistancy plus complete control. If you are running an sti you'll also gain control of the AVCS. You'll find the the Hydra or any good standalone will have many more features than any piggy back like the utec. Some will say that the utec is better for daily drivability but I have yet to experience that. Once its tuned the only thing you'll notice as being different than stock is the start-up which takes 2-3 seconds. I could go on all day about why I like the Hydra but I don't have the time. Do your research and I think you'll end up buying a Hydra.
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Old 01-30-2005, 11:42 AM   #28
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Well, I wouldn't count on our 93oct gas any better than cali 91. We do run 10% methanol year round so we don't have good gas. Also, if you are tlaking about the holiday in Forest lake, that is bad stuff. Remember, anything that is good for the planet is bad for making power. Check out mnsubaru.com, we have a list of all the good places to get gas in the cities.

Russ
thanks man I can oly find 93 at holiday in my home town LOL
yea it is crap gas but it beats 89 right???
I`ll check out that page later

Yea hydra is what I`ll go with!!! I think I would catch on quick, After I learn the basics and get some help from the tuning shop..

Thanks Sean
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Old 01-31-2005, 12:19 AM   #29
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thanks man I can oly find 93 at holiday in my home town LOL
yea it is crap gas but it beats 89 right???
My car can safely run more advance with 92 octane gas from BP than it can with "93 octane" gas from Holiday. True story.
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Old 01-31-2005, 12:48 AM   #30
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I belive it totally LOL holiday, clean air gas LOL

it sucks in my town you get the 93 or like 90 some where else

but to change the subject abit... Has anyone had alot of problems with there HYDRA E.M I talked to this kid and he said DO NOT buy one!!!

I got on opinion b/c I havent used UTEC or HYDRA, I can only go by what I hear
from other people.. do you guys think the hydra is bad E.M to tune with no experience.. I`ll be getting the GT35 kingpin kit, They will do the base tuning which I think they can handel. I just want to tune my aux maps, for better drive ability
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Old 01-31-2005, 02:05 AM   #31
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Honestly, i've used a utec and a link....granted nothing like the hydra. BUT, a standalone will always take more time and trouble to get right. It will be harder to pick up than the utec. A MAP based system (from my understanding) will be more weather sensitive.

I'm not sure what the startup is like with the hydra but i remember my link used to take 2-3 sec. (like the hydra) and it would take more draw from the battery. In cold weather it was a real hassle to get right, and was a pain.

There's a saying that an EM is only as good as the tuner. I personally would probably get the utec....BUT i very much want to take a ride in a well sorted hydra. (i'd rather have time to play with one)

To me the user base, proven power, capabilities, price, and proven driveability of the utec are really hard to argue with.

You can check out both softwares by downloading utec edit and the hydra software...compare it to others also, like aem etc.
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Old 01-31-2005, 02:49 AM   #32
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so whats the deal with Hydra's on 05's with cruise control?
Does it still work ?
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Old 01-31-2005, 03:24 AM   #33
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so whats the deal with Hydra's on 05's with cruise control?
Does it still work ?
DBW
ummm. i thought it killed them on both but I asked but never got an answer?

I think A well tuned UTEC with my knowledge would work out best, b/c the hydra is a little to advance for me.. On the Plus side I would save about $700

I guess the Hydra has not been proven as many times as the UTEC, And like OWL said he has had no problems and has many safe tunes, on his UTEC
which shows UTEC is safe and good on power, and easy for a beginer to learn on
vs a stand-alone
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Old 01-31-2005, 12:47 PM   #34
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I guess the Hydra has not been proven as many times as the UTEC, And like OWL said he has had no problems and has many safe tunes, on his UTEC
which shows UTEC is safe and good on power, and easy for a beginer to learn on
vs a stand-alone
If your starting point is zero tuning knowledge, then in my opinion neither the UTEC nor the Hydra will be easier than the other...in fact they will probably be equally difficult. It takes knowledge and experience to datalog a setup, process the information you glean from the logs, and forge that into changes to your map. Then you rinse and repeat...log some more to confirm that the changes had the desired effect, doing further tweaking as necessary.

My advice with either of these products, should you end up purchasing one of them, is that you will NEED to make a serious commitment to acquiring a base knowledge of tuning and then know the ins and outs of every single feature of your engine management, even if that means reading the manual 50 times.

I'm just getting the sense from your posts that you think one of these products is inherently better, safer, and/or easier than the other and it's simply a matter of determining which one it is. Rather, as I think others have said, it's all in the tune and the capabilities of the person doing it. Simply put, either one of these can give you a happily driveable car and either one can destroy your engine. They give you a tremendous amount of power to change things, but you have to be sensible with it and know what you're doing.

Personally, I suspect DarthChicken's posts in this thread are worth re-reading. The setup you are talking about will flow MASSIVE amounts of air, and your stock MAF is going to be pushed to and beyond its limits.

Just my 2 pennies on the matter...
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