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Old 01-29-2005, 07:07 PM   #1
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Hi all,

Just got back from getting my gutted uppipe and SBC ID v.2 installed...

install went smooth... dont notice much since i guess i got to set the EBC correctly .....

My turbosmart BOV has gotten very quiet after the install....can hardly hear it now... is this supposed to happen ?? thought its supposed to get louder ?

what should i set it to ???? ACUATOR or WASTEGATE ??

I want to be running a max boost of 14.0 in every gear... in the AUTO setting set at 14.0 ... i was only able to get to about 5-7 psi in 1st and 2nd gear ?????

What should my manual settings be set at ???? heard around set=50 gain=7......

Please if you have an SBC ID and can give any advice at all please do ! !!

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Old 01-29-2005, 09:29 PM   #2
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I would start at 45 and work your way up on the set and I would make gain 8 for the time being and slowly bring it up to no higher than 15, the lower the gain is the slower the boost comes on but the smoother it will be, at 15 it will tend to jump around a little like from 15.2 to 15.5 kinda deal and then back to 15.3 as your are climbing in the rpms. I would set it to acuator because wg is for external wastegate setups.

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what PSI should i be hitting in each gear ?? im guessing i dont wanna hit 14 in 1st and 2nd.... Thanks again alll... Just wanna get things back to normail Plus Some
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Old 01-29-2005, 11:05 PM   #4
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You can't set boost for each gear with the SBC-id. You set an overall target boost and it stays like that for all gears. I would get an EGT gauge if you don't have one already. My first mods were to install an uppipe, SBC-id, EGT, and boost gauge. PTFB is dangerous and if you don't watch your EGT's, temps can get above 900C very quickly.

Also, I found that the auto mode didn't work too well for me. I set everything manually and that was great. IIRC, I set it at around 55 with a gain of 20 or so for a fast build up and a max around 15.5psi. I switched to Ecutek and a Vishnu Stage 1 about 2 months afterwards so that I wouldn't have to worry about the PTFB issue.

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Old 01-30-2005, 12:17 AM   #5
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You can't set boost for each gear with the SBC-id. You set an overall target boost and it stays like that for all gears. I would get an EGT gauge if you don't have one already. My first mods were to install an uppipe, SBC-id, EGT, and boost gauge. PTFB is dangerous and if you don't watch your EGT's, temps can get above 900C very quickly.

Also, I found that the auto mode didn't work too well for me. I set everything manually and that was great. IIRC, I set it at around 55 with a gain of 20 or so for a fast build up and a max around 15.5psi. I switched to Ecutek and a Vishnu Stage 1 about 2 months afterwards so that I wouldn't have to worry about the PTFB issue.

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PTFB? ? sorry im a newb ... the EGT temp raises instintly when boostings ?? or after driving hard for a couple mins it keeps moving up ??

so anything under 16 PSI is considered SAFE for the stock turbo ?

i just came back from a test drive... set at 48 and gain at 6...made the turbo peak at 13.4 in 2nd gear.... ( its about -5 in toronto tonight )

Right now my mods are :

Gutted Uppipe
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so you got rid of the SBC ID after you got the EM ??
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Old 01-30-2005, 12:58 AM   #6
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PTFB is Part Throttle Full Boost. It's a condition that can lead to extremely high EGT's when using an EBC or MBC. For a stock turbo, I wouldn't go higher then ~15psi. EGT's go up and down based on how the engine is running. For example, an idling engine may be around the 300*C range while cruising on the highway may be around 700*C.

I got rid of the SBC-id when I went to Ecutek. I didn't need it since the reflashed ECU was taking care of all boost control. If I had it to do all over again, I would have skipped the boost controller all together and went straight to Ecutek. However, when I went with the SBC-id, Ecutek hadn't come out yet. . .hence the 2 month delay.

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PTFB is the abbreviation for part throttle full boost, (i didn't know what it meant at first either), it is why boost controllers with no EM are a bad thing. It allows for full boost when you are not full throttle which causes very lean conditions, possible detonation and high egt's. The stock turbo can handle up to about 17.5 before it really becomes inefficient. I would run about 16 psi until you get some em and turboback exhaust. When setting the boost I would do a third gear roll and set it to about 15.5 psi or so because the higher the gear the more boost so you don't want it set at 17psi in third because by the time you get to 5th gear you will be doing around 18psi if not higher. There is no need to get rid of the sbc id when you get EM, I am running a UTEC and SBC ID and I love it. I would probably use the manual mode becuase you can keep boost where you want it much better. As the weather changes you will have to change the settings. I would try to get EM as soon as possible because you wont' have to worry about PTFB and it makes a pretty big difference with a good tune. Another thing on the SBC ID there is a warning feature that you can set, I would make boost to be about .5 higher than your desired boost setting. This way when it does over boost it will flash red and beep.

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PTFB is Part Throttle Full Boost. It's a condition that can lead to extremely high EGT's when using an EBC or MBC. For a stock turbo, I wouldn't go higher then ~15psi. EGT's go up and down based on how the engine is running. For example, an idling engine may be around the 300*C range while cruising on the highway may be around 700*C.

I got rid of the SBC-id when I went to Ecutek. I didn't need it since the reflashed ECU was taking care of all boost control. If I had it to do all over again, I would have skipped the boost controller all together and went straight to Ecutek. However, when I went with the SBC-id, Ecutek hadn't come out yet. . .hence the 2 month delay.

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Thanks guys ! im keeping it around 14 max on my RACE setting since i dont want any troubles... Im gonna try it out for a couple months ..... i guess as long as i keep it under 16 PSI i should be safe
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Get an EGT gauge as soon as you can. Long term high-temps can damage the engine.

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I used an sbc id for a while. I used auto mode set at 16 psi. It takes a while for it to learn. Your first few runs with auto mode will only get 8 psi or so. With each consecutive run it will get higher and higher until it reaches your target boost. After driving for 20 minutes or so it will work fine. The good thing about auto mode is that you just set it for what you want and leave it at that. Doesn't matter if it is freezing cold or hot outside, it will always give you the boost you set it at. Manual mode seemed to work a bit faster, but the amount of boost I would get would vary with the temp outside, like if it was really damn cold, it would overboost a lot.
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I used an sbc id for a while. I used auto mode set at 16 psi. It takes a while for it to learn. Your first few runs with auto mode will only get 8 psi or so. With each consecutive run it will get higher and higher until it reaches your target boost. After driving for 20 minutes or so it will work fine. The good thing about auto mode is that you just set it for what you want and leave it at that. Doesn't matter if it is freezing cold or hot outside, it will always give you the boost you set it at. Manual mode seemed to work a bit faster, but the amount of boost I would get would vary with the temp outside, like if it was really damn cold, it would overboost a lot.
I tried on the Auto Setting for the first couple hours and the PSI would jump way past what i set it too..didnt seem very safe to me
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