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Old 07-12-2001, 08:55 PM   #1
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Default Unichip from him or Unichip from them?

Cobb has the hard-wired Uni and TurboXs has (or will have) the plug-in. I know that the Uni is fine tuned for each individual car at Cobb and is only sold by them if they install and tune it. I believe the TurboXs Uni can be sold mail order. I would assume that this means that the unit was tuned to one car and sold for all.

Does anyone believe that better performance can be gained thru the Cobb Uni vs. the TurboXs Uni. If so, would it be significant?

Your thoughts, please.
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Old 07-12-2001, 09:57 PM   #2
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Depends on what you want and how you want it..
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Old 07-12-2001, 11:20 PM   #3
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Think of it this way... Do you live anywhere near a 4wd dyno? If so this makes a big difference. Do you live anywhere near one of the install centers that Cobb is setting up? I bet they would tune a plug and play unichip if someone brought one to them... I really like the idea of being able to take this out and return the car to stock in just a few minutes. If its hardwired, thats just not going to happen. There is nothing that says you can't have your turboxs unichip tuned on a dyno... if you live near one, this may be the best of both worlds.

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Old 07-13-2001, 09:11 AM   #4
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From my point of view... I've sent email's to both.. and the first one to answer me on my request will get the business. I consider both people very competent individuals. I know Mark by reputation in the DSM world, and Trey's reputation in the Subaru world deserves it's just dues!

But the fact of the matter remains... once these guys get some time (I'm not asking for favors), I'll go to the first that will tune my car for me, my way.

Or, like anything else in my life... if no one steps up to the plate, I'll learn to do it myself.

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Old 07-13-2001, 10:50 AM   #5
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Yeah, that whole hardwire thing is starting to bother me more and more. Iím nearer to Cobb though and I want the whole proven APS kit. Cobb is forecast to have an AWD dyno next month.

Tuned my way? Iím not educated enough to specify parameters for tuning the chip. All I know is that I want the car to have more torque down low (pretty much throughout the whole RPM range). I wouldnít mind better gas mileage, but I definitely donít want it to drop (I hope thatís and option). If it does, fine, as long as itís not too significant.

Maybe TurboXs would just sell the harness. Assuming that both Unis are physically the same, the harness should be good for both. Iíll ask.
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Old 07-13-2001, 10:57 AM   #6
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I could be wrong here, but i think that mark has stated that he will not sell the plug and play adaptor without a unichip. Cobb might sell you the rest of the peices without the unichip though, or you could just get a staged upgrade from Turboxs.

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Old 07-13-2001, 10:57 AM   #7
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Also the question is... Will Cobb tune a TurboXS Unichip and will TurboXS tune a Cobb Unichip...?

These are valid questions.

How about is Cobb planning on making a plug and play setup?

these are real questions that will be asked sooner than later.. So I decided to get the questions out their

Regardless I am closer to TurboXS and I love his customer service so the answer is easy for me!
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Old 07-13-2001, 12:02 PM   #8
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and the answer to that question is how bad are they both going to try and monopolize the market...

simply put, they have our proverbial b@!!$ in their hands!

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Old 07-13-2001, 12:05 PM   #9
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because....

the unichips ARE password protected last I remembered...

So Trey has to give Mark permission to enter one of his units.. and since both have invested their own times in their R&D... once your in you can basically steal the others secrets....

So to answer the question... no I doubt it'll happen...

Either way.. I don't want Mark's off the shelf product, but I do want him to tune the car to MY spec... and I know that Trey will do that now..

Question is.. When will Trey have time for me?

When will Mark start doing custom tunes in the first place?

When will others get on the ball and start doing the same....

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Old 07-13-2001, 12:17 PM   #10
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I'm not speaking for anyone, but my thoughts on how Mark does things is that he doesnt care as much about the sale as he does about whats best for you and your needs. If you tell him what you want, and his product can do it the best way he will reccomend you purchase his product. If he thinks another option is in your best interest, then he will (and has) reccomend you go another route. I have never delt with Cobb, so I cant give my opinion on them unfortunatly. This is just my "take" on the question above.

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Old 07-13-2001, 01:15 PM   #11
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I have checked with both Cobb and Turboxs. I feel that they both have excellent service backgrounds,and truly care about their customer base. I will most likely use Turboxs chip.The reason is I live in Maryland and there is a dyno, plus Mark was great to talk to.My question is if they are both piggyback systems and unichips what is the difference between the two? if any.Also has anyone used the APS cold air intake system yet? thanks michael
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Old 07-13-2001, 01:20 PM   #12
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because....

the unichips ARE password protected last I remembered...

So Trey has to give Mark permission to enter one of his units.. and since both have invested their own times in their R&D... once your in you can basically steal the others secrets....

So to answer the question... no I doubt it'll happen...

Either way.. I don't want Mark's off the shelf product, but I do want him to tune the car to MY spec... and I know that Trey will do that now..

Question is.. When will Trey have time for me?

When will Mark start doing custom tunes in the first place?

When will others get on the ball and start doing the same....

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Give mark a call, as he is doing a WRX tune this next friday i think. I also think that if you have the controller, you can tune anyone's unichip, i don't think they are password protected, that may be the case, but i bet there is a way to reset them so that someone without the password can tune them.

I can see why each of them would not want the other to have the maps they use, but in truth, everyone is shooting for the same kind of results, and the maps are going to be pretty similar.

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Old 07-13-2001, 02:34 PM   #13
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Wait...

To say that Mark will not do Custom maps is a bunch of bull. Of course he will it may cost you extra but off course he will. But his Unichip of the shelf will add a great amount of power.
Some may knock him for trying to sell a plug and play answer.. but obviously if you are watching this post you are interested in what is had to say about it.

And if you want more Power that's when you get a custom tune.

I know that lately their are alot of people who actually talked to Mark about the Unchip setup... he's the honest no bull type of guy..


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Old 07-13-2001, 02:47 PM   #14
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Ya I`m with Subyprez.

Marks a good guy to deal with.

Gee, who could be getting their car custom tuned next Friday 7/19?

Who could it be? Oh it`s me, that`s right

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Old 07-13-2001, 03:29 PM   #15
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Imprez... who ever said Mark wouldn't do the tune?

I said...

Quote:
When will Mark start doing custom tunes in the first place?
I know he will.. he's just too busy doing the OTS stuff first...

hehe,
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Old 07-13-2001, 03:37 PM   #16
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I got ya... Just making it noted that he's going to do it..

OTS stuff... nah.. he's playing GT3 !!!
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Old 07-13-2001, 07:25 PM   #17
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I must admit that Marks product is looking more and more apealing. With 30 extra ponies to the wheels for $1000 without hard-wiring is rather appetizing. Assuming the 265 estimate for Mark's stage 1 and the the 280 estimate for the Cobb APS club spec are accurate. Cobb is charging $1600 more for the additional 15hp. I know that drivetrain performance is not all about hp. With the freer flowing exhaust of the kit you will probably be getting peak torque at lower rpms due to faster spooling. However, I can only afford $3000 total in upgrades. So I can either buy have a 280hp car or for the same cash, I can have a 265 hp car with tien coilovers and new tires. What to do, what to do........
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Old 07-13-2001, 10:29 PM   #18
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I would like to purchase the Cobb kit and have Mark tune it, if that's possible. Reason is I live very close to TurboXs and AA's Dyno. But I would choose Cobb (or rather APS's) products cuz they will be carb exempt in a few months, according to Trey. Plus you can't really compare TurboXs's stage 1 with the club spec kit, since you're getting more stuff from the club kit. It's more appropriate to compare turboxs's stage 2 with the club kit.
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Old 07-15-2001, 01:18 AM   #19
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I'm not really comparing the TurboXs stage 1 to the Cobb stage 1. I just recently found out about the existence of the TurboXs system. I'm just saying that giving up 15hp and saving over $1600 seems pretty good. With $3k to spend, I'm starting to sway towards a better handling WRX with 265hp rather than a stock handling 280hp WRX...not to mention the added bonus of a plug-in chip.

While talking with Mark, I told him that I wouldn't hold him to it, if he gave me an estimated cost of his stage 2. His estimated price was lower than the Cobb club spec. That's good news for you northerners.
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Old 07-15-2001, 10:10 AM   #20
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I will most likly go with turoxs. I live in Washington state and Cobb tells me they are still looking for a shop to do installs in the seattle area (I live over 300 miles away).

The cobb setup looks great but the need to bring in the car, the cost and the need to hard wire all have me leaning to the XS setup.

Looking forward to more power
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Old 07-15-2001, 01:47 PM   #21
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I am getting the TurboXS kit because it does not have to be tuned in house by him. That does not mean that I am not going to have it done. Make was super nice to me on the phone an I trust him because he told me not to by something from him. That goes a long way for me
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