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Old 02-01-2005, 02:48 PM   #1
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Default will STi wagon spring work on stock wagon?

will these work on the stock setup? http://www.subaruwrxparts.com/04wrx-suspension.html
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Old 02-01-2005, 03:18 PM   #2
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i would just go with prodrives and be happy. you do realize the sti is 300lbs heavier than the wagon?
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Old 02-01-2005, 03:28 PM   #3
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hmm, that could make for a big problem, it would make my baby ride like a tank.
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Old 02-01-2005, 08:00 PM   #4
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Those springs are for STi struts, not WRX struts. They're a great upgrade for a wagon, but you need to upgrade struts as well.

The info on the website is wrong too. Those springs are NOT 60/50 (N/mm) - that's the spring rates for the "STi Adjustable Suspension Kit" farther down the page. The wagon springs are 223/192, or about 30% stiffer than stock.
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Old 02-01-2005, 08:14 PM   #5
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Those springs are for STi struts, not WRX struts. They're a great upgrade for a wagon, but you need to upgrade struts as well.
Are you sure about that? I just got the Pinks for my wagon and a few other board members said thats all I would need. It would be a good idea to get the rear camber bolt kit and some group n top hats. This is the info that I have been planning my suspension.
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Old 02-01-2005, 10:19 PM   #6
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wrx05: The springs are about 30% stiffer than the stock struts were designed for. It's not like the car will be undriveable, but it's not optimum. It depends on whether you want "barely adequate" or "perfect match."
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Old 02-01-2005, 10:55 PM   #7
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wrx05: The springs are about 30% stiffer than the stock struts were designed for. It's not like the car will be undriveable, but it's not optimum. It depends on whether you want "barely adequate" or "perfect match."
cool..i thought they would be "uninstallable"..Is that even a word?
Im going to do the install now on the stockers but when the KYB AGX's are available for the 05 WRX I'll upgrade...Thats my problem right now. KYB hasnt even given a time estimate on when the struts/shocks will be available for my car.
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Old 02-02-2005, 12:08 AM   #8
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Yes, uninstallable is a word.

I wouldn't hold your breath on an updated version of the AGX. Plenty of folks are putting the current version on the newer cars, so there's not that much incentive for KYB. There's only a slight difference in the way the struts attach to the rear strut tops, a folks are finding a couple of washers are all that's needed to make it attatch properly. Also, KYB doesn't make a wagon version of the AGX, so folks are using the GC8 version in front which is similar enough to the wagon to work fine.
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Old 02-02-2005, 02:03 AM   #9
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interestin thread.....

i got some sti wagon spec springs installed on stock struts a few months back. rear camber bolts will be may be goin in soon. group n top hats?? if someone can convince me otherwise. i don't feel the need for them.
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Old 02-02-2005, 02:08 AM   #10
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To elaborate on what Mark was describing, stiff springs on stock shocks = that not so pleasant and not confident floaty feeling X 10.

Oh, I'm running on GC8 agx's in front. Works fine.
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Old 02-02-2005, 08:52 AM   #11
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great help folks, so if i am reading right, i need to replace the struts and the springs, anything else? to make this work right?
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Old 02-02-2005, 10:21 PM   #12
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The pink wagon springs are ~ 223/195- the oe setup is ~ 168/130- your looking at a ~ 35% increase up front and 50% increase in the rear- that's asking quite a bit form your oe struts, albeit the 04+ struts have slightly more agressive valving.

I believe that these springs were designed around the JDM WRX's that utilize STi "like" inverted struts (big piston/firmer damping)

If you have a sedan- no problem v8 sedan struts are a dime a dozen, wagon a little more difficult.

I'm running them on a wagon specific inverted strut and they are the cat's ass I'd love to get some feedback on folks running them on oem struts- maybe it's not as bad as we imagine????

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Old 02-03-2005, 01:34 AM   #13
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i'm usin the sti wagon spec springs on oe struts. since the springs are so new, only time will tell. so far so good. it SEEMS like everything is fine.
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Old 02-03-2005, 03:39 AM   #14
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How would the wagon pinks compare to the Prodrives?
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Old 02-03-2005, 10:07 AM   #15
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i'm usin the sti wagon spec springs on oe struts. since the springs are so new, only time will tell. so far so good. it SEEMS like everything is fine.

That's good to hear! My experince has been as a general rule- FHI tends to send there cars out slightly overdamped (and undersprung), so that would make sense.
Do you have a 04+?

Prodrive (at least the v7, no experience w/ the new v8 ones) springs lower more than the STi ones- Prodrive ~ 1.5 " front, 1" rear- STi 10-15mm front/rear. The Prodrive (v7 ones) have spring rates @ ~ 175/175 (from a set being sent off), the STi WRX ones are 223/195. Both are pretty linear in design. I'd like to see someone send off a set of the v8 ones and see if they've stuck w/ similar rates. My guess is they have, as the front springs would be the same and that would save them $. Also if they are designed around the oe strut I don't see them bumping up the rates too terrible much- but you never know.

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That's good to hear! My experince has been as a general rule- FHI tends to send there cars out slightly overdamped (and undersprung), so that would make sense.
Do you have a 04+?

yes i do....
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^^^Update on the ride. Any drastic change. Im torn between the Prodrives, or the STi Wagon Springs. Not sure of future plans. Either Coilovers, or the STi wagon specific struts. Thanks.
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Old 03-07-2005, 08:00 PM   #18
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if you have a wagon... why not get wagon specific springs?
doesnt that make sense?

the USDM STi Pink springs are NICE
good value, reasonabley priced....
nice spring rates!

i say go for it
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[quote=Subie Gal]if you have a wagon... why not get wagon specific springs?
doesnt that make sense?
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Yes ma'am! Sorry, I've heard great reviews for the Prodrives on a wagon but not too many reviews on the Pinks. I was leaning towards the Pinks. Besides pink is so much purdier than blue. Thanks.
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^^^Update on the ride. Any drastic change. Im torn between the Prodrives, or the STi Wagon Springs. Not sure of future plans. Either Coilovers, or the STi wagon specific struts. Thanks.
i'm lovin the ride. seein that these are my first springs i really don't have anything to compare them against. i've seen the prodrives on the wagon and i like the way they look. now, if you want a drop that LOOKS more even go w/the prodrives. seeing that the front wheel wells of the wagon are a tad taller than the rear well, it LOOKS a little off w/the sti wagon specs.

for what i use my wagon for. i don't feel the NEED for coilovers.
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I'm running 04 STi struts on my 02 wgn w/ wagon-specific pinks, Group-N tophats and rear camber bolts. The harder tophats helped overcome inverted-strut stiction problems and yielded a crisper (< bouncy) ride. My RE070's w/ these give a rough feel over potholes, washboard and gravel, but handling is a quantum leap over stock.
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Old 03-11-2005, 01:21 PM   #22
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What I am reading is that the next ultimate street comfort/weekend race setup will be the Wgn specific STI springs and Koni inserts.
Those with STI springs...can you throw up a pic or 2? THX!
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