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Old 02-04-2005, 12:24 AM   #1
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Default Hella Fog Lamp Recommendations?

I'm in the market for some Hella's Fog Lamp setups. Whats the most useful setup/combination?
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Old 02-04-2005, 02:34 AM   #2
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hella 500's are the standard....Rallye 4000's if you got $$$
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Old 02-04-2005, 03:11 AM   #3
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The question depends heavily on what car you have.

If you have a 2003 or earlier Impreza, there is nothing better for the money than the Hella FF1000's with the Hella-supplied brackets that fit the factory fog locations. They fit perfectly and firmly, look basically stock, and provide outstanding illumination.
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Old 02-04-2005, 09:21 AM   #4
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4000's rock and the 4000 HID's rule

<---has 4000's on his LR Discovery
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Old 02-04-2005, 10:46 AM   #5
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Like nhluhr says the Hella FF1000 are about the best you can get in the stock position considering the value. A full kit runs ~$150. They are well worth the extra $50ish over the 500s. I would suggest the driving beam if it's your only set of aux lights.

http://www.rallylights.com/hella/ff1000.asp
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Old 02-04-2005, 06:23 PM   #6
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What they said.

If you want an actual foglamp pattern, get Hella 500 foglamps with the clear lens (not amber. get yellow bulbs instead for yellow light output).

If you want a driving long range pattern, Hella FF1000's are the way to go, but on a budget, Hella 500's definitely DO NOT suck.

If you don't plan on adding extra lamps elsewhere (like some of us crazy lighting nuts around here), the FF1000s should be enough. If you are going to add more, stick with foglamps and aim them to the side.

[hey, just covering all the bases]
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Old 02-05-2005, 03:54 AM   #7
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the FF's sure are nice!!!!!! is wiring for the FF's(or 500's) a DIY? could this be as easy as a plug-n-play swap? i would be fitting for an MY04 wagon's stock fog location.

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Old 02-05-2005, 11:27 AM   #8
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well, neither of those will fit in your stock location, as you have the small holes. these lights fit the 02-03 fog light holes.
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Old 02-05-2005, 06:48 PM   #9
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Are the FF1000s ok to use around town or will they blind people? Or do you just aim them downwards?
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Any auxilliary lamp should NOT be used around town.

If it's a fog lamp, it's meant to be used when it's foggy out. Using them around town does not make you look cool and it does not help your driving vision because the drastic increase in close-in brightness kills your ability to see the light that your headlights are projecting down the road.

If it's a driving lamp, it's meant to be used ONLY in conjunction with your highbeams to shine down the road. It will blind oncoming drivers and I swear to god, if i see one subaru driving around with driving lamps on all the time, I am going to follow them, wait till they park, and then use my lug wrench to smash them in.

To quote Ben Parker: "With great power comes great responsibility" - Aftermarket lights, both fog and driving, have very specific purposes and using them to just drive around town, thinking they make you look cool is about as bad as it gets.
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Old 02-05-2005, 10:16 PM   #11
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nhluhr,

point well taken. since you seem like the lighting guru, do you have any lighting recommendations for everyday use? sorry dude, newbie here, i'm NOT trying to start any heat........
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Old 02-05-2005, 10:40 PM   #12
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what kind of car do you have? That will factor into the answer.
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Old 02-06-2005, 12:11 AM   #13
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04 WRX Wagon. another question for you. what fogs come with factory(not the tiny ones)?
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Um, those are the fogs that come from the factory (the tiny ones). The 04+ (GDB/GGB) imprezas kinda got screwed that way since they're packing a larger bumper beam than the bugeye imprezas which means less room for foglamps. Rally Innovations has a kit which will let you stick larger lamps in the stock locations, but they're a bit pricey. My personal choice would be to just pick up some 55w yellow bulbs for the foglamps, then get some sort of lightbar if you want more lamps. Check the big "ultimate auxiliary lighting thread" we have floating around here for lots of ideas (espically homemade ones).

Like nhluhr said, unless you have a specific plan or know what your doing, foglamps are just for that, fog or other low distance visibility conditions. All you'll need are 2, though i have to agree, the tiny lamps on the 04+ imprezas could use a bit of help.

If you mount extra auxiliary lamps on your car, they should only be used for driving when nobody else is around (backroad driving where there's no streetlights). In fact, some states require you to have them wired so they switch on only with your highbeams (but it's rarely enforced so most of us have a separate switch and are just smart about when to use them).

I think the best solution for you (if you have the $$$ that is) would be to pick up a set of USDM STi headlamps since they are HID lamps. They'd be a direct swap. It's a bit pricey, but to have DOT approved HID's is a very very good thing. The Rally Innovations foglamp conversion kit is also great. On a budget though, i think just swapping the foglamps bulbs for Hella Yellowstar 55w H3 bulbs would be a good choice too. It's going to be hard though to find a way to have "more light" for regular street use without breaking some sort of law or possibly risking damage to your car (i.e. running high wattage bulbs in the OEM foglamps and wiring is a big NO NO...)

But, please, keep asking more questions. It's the only way we'll be able to help you.
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another often overlooked solution to upping the "horsepower" of the stock lights on the 04+ is to replace the 9005 highbeam bulb with a 9011 and then adding in Mulders simple grounding improvements.
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psydotek and nhulr, THNX!!!!!!!!!
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another often overlooked solution to upping the "horsepower" of the stock lights on the 04+ is to replace the 9005 highbeam bulb with a 9011 and then adding in Mulders simple grounding improvements.
got a link to the thread about the grounding mod? thanks
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yeah what they said. I have the 500s and 4000s

get what fits your budget and mounting abilities.
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I've been watching this thread and don't mean to hijack but there is a lot of great information in here, especially from Pysdotek and nhluhr...

I own an 02 and all my lighting is currently stock. I live in a rural area pretty high up elevation wise (one of the highest points in IL) and we have really bad fog quite often. I don't have tons of money to spend on anything fancy and don't want to get into lightbars and stuff like that. I'm really just looking to replace the fogs with something. I was going to go with the amber Hella 500 kit to take on the fog and give me better visibility in bad conditions but now I see you guys talking about the FF1000's. I realize those don't come in a fog pattern but my question is...would I be better going with the FF1000's with the driving pattern or the Hella 500 fogs? Or is there another model that I should be considering? I'd probably be keeping the bulbs stock rather then switching them out with something else so I'd really like to just buy one of the kits and be done with it.
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Well, if you're going to have to contend with fog on a regular basis (more than the 5-6 mornings a year that we have fog here in southern california), sticking with a real foglamp pattern would be best. If you don't want to buy bulbs (which are still dirt cheap though), the Hella 500 Amber foglamps would be best, just make sure to pick up the Subaru WRX specific bracket so they'll bolt directly into your stock location.
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Yeah, I was going to buy the Kartboy mounts to make it really easy. If I did happen to buy some bulbs, which are the best?

Also, would the amber kit still give me plenty of visibility in good condition driving as opposed to if I went with the clear kit?
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Man you got some probs with people and lights. I drive with my fogs on usually because I can see WIDER in front of the car = better visibility when going around corners. Around town you're eyes don't adjust down anyway cause there's always cars.

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Any auxilliary lamp should NOT be used around town.

If it's a fog lamp, it's meant to be used when it's foggy out. Using them around town does not make you look cool and it does not help your driving vision because the drastic increase in close-in brightness kills your ability to see the light that your headlights are projecting down the road.

If it's a driving lamp, it's meant to be used ONLY in conjunction with your highbeams to shine down the road. It will blind oncoming drivers and I swear to god, if i see one subaru driving around with driving lamps on all the time, I am going to follow them, wait till they park, and then use my lug wrench to smash them in.

To quote Ben Parker: "With great power comes great responsibility" - Aftermarket lights, both fog and driving, have very specific purposes and using them to just drive around town, thinking they make you look cool is about as bad as it gets.
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Man you got some probs with people and lights. I drive with my fogs on usually because I can see WIDER in front of the car = better visibility when going around corners. Around town you're eyes don't adjust down anyway cause there's always cars.
Fogs are different than aux lights. That is why we don't drive around town with them on. I shined my buddy that was a good 1/8 mile from me with my FF1000 pencil beams and his auto dimming mirror went nuts. Driving (aux) lamps are NOT for around town.
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Where the heck's Elburn? I used to commute from Chicago to Peoria through some horrendous fog and snow a few years ago. I'd say get foglights since you can fit them easily (I had 500s with Kartboy's brackets on my RS). But in pitch black, there's no real need for them in anything but the worst of conditions. You're better off looking at an E-code light (morette or otherwise) that will light up all the reflectors without causing glare. It's not a good idea to mount driving lamps that low on the car, anyway (I had 500 driving lenses as well).
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Elburn is a western suburb out in the sticks. The population sign reads somewhere in the neighborhood of 3,000 people...my highschool that I went to was bigger.

I'll just go with the 500's...

Thanks for the help.
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