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Old 02-04-2005, 10:06 PM   #1
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Exclamation Wiring help for headlights (link inside)

Hello all!! I got these recently and need help wiring them cause they didn't come with the correct adapters.

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Does anyone else have these or know if I can just go to a local auto parts store for an adapter? they switch the stock H4 bulbs to Dual high/low H7 bulbs. Please help!!

PS- yes i have searched and yes the search button is my constant friend.
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Old 02-04-2005, 11:05 PM   #2
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bump!

please help ppl... any suggestions would be great!!
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Old 02-04-2005, 11:17 PM   #3
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Sorry to say, those are really crappy lights. The search button should turn up quite a few threads to that effect. But, since you already have them, as far as the wiring is concerned AFAIK the problem with them is that as manufactured they do have the proper 9007 connector to plug into your harness but it doesn't come wired correctly. The common (two black wires together) is on the wrong pin, it should be on the center pin.
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Old 02-04-2005, 11:29 PM   #4
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well that sucks... they were a gift so i wanted to try and make them work, cause free is usually good. other than the common wires would you have any other suggestions? thanks.
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Old 02-04-2005, 11:38 PM   #5
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You won't want to hear this suggestion, but I'd say sell them on Ebay and save up for some decent projector lights. There is a thread, I'm too lazy to look for it now but maybe someone will post the link, that discusses the shortcomings of these lights and possible upgrade options such as replacing the reflector units with projectors. But to be honest, such a project is not really worthwhile considering how much it will cost in time, labor and materials and also considering the fact that several other plug-and-play options for improved lighting are available.
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Old 02-04-2005, 11:43 PM   #6
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i'll take that into consideration... i took your comment and reversed the pins and the lights work fine, but the turn indicator is still blinking rapidly... would you know of anyway to fix this. more specifically the turn indicator on the side of the car doesn't light up at all . thank you for your help thus far, i will take your suggestions seriously... i just want to make these work right now.
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Old 02-05-2005, 01:48 AM   #7
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flasher units are load based... so when one bulb doesn't work, the flasher switches faster because of the smaller electrical load on it. The fast flashing is just a symptom of a bulb not working right.. check your wiring for the non-functioning bulb
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Old 02-05-2005, 06:37 AM   #8
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nhluhr is right, you either have a bulb not working or the incorrect type installed, or perhaps a parking light wired as a flasher. I do not believe this is a common problem with these lights, I've only heard of the miswired headlight plug although anything is possible.
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Old 02-05-2005, 11:22 AM   #9
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nhluhr is right, you either have a bulb not working or the incorrect type installed, or perhaps a parking light wired as a flasher. I do not believe this is a common problem with these lights, I've only heard of the miswired headlight plug although anything is possible.
I second that. This is the first time I've heard of issues with the turn signal / parking lights.
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There is a thread, ... that discusses the shortcomings of these lights and possible upgrade options such as replacing the reflector units with projectors.
Here's one I posted when I tested a WRC replica:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=609978
Given that you already have them, for free, spending an extra ~$150 for a good pair of Hella 90mm low beam projectors + some DIY work may not be too unreasonable. Otherwise, you'll have to deal with a terrible beam pattern as shown below, that does more harm than good to everyone imho. If you do, make sure the low beam is properly ventilated, because the black ABS plastic used to make the housing is very thin & prone to heat deformation.
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Old 02-05-2005, 01:28 PM   #10
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ok thanks for the replies people!! I'll check the bulb today and post up what I found... how would I go about making sure the low beam is "properly ventilated"?
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Old 02-05-2005, 03:37 PM   #11
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ok real quick I've got all the wiring figured out except for the side marker...????....it won't come on at all. the turn indicator light in the headlight works but only the blinking light, not the solid light for city driving. i matched all the wires up as they were on the harness (red, green, black). What am I missing?
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Old 02-05-2005, 04:54 PM   #12
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I'M DONE. thanks for all the links and ideas.
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Old 02-05-2005, 07:15 PM   #13
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how would I go about making sure the low beam is "properly ventilated"?
That depends on how you chose to mount a replacement light.
http://faqlight.carpassion.info is a very useful site for lighting DIY upgrades, although more emphasis is placed on HID imho. From the same site, they have a section on Hella 90mm low beams:
http://faqlight.carpassion.info/hella-90mm/
which shows some examples of how they can be mounted. Also, they have some temperature data (see picture below, linked from their site). Note that those temps are taken with the unit out in the open. When they get mounted, the surrounding may cause heat buildup. Ventilation will depend on the mounting choice.
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Old 02-06-2005, 05:00 AM   #14
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i was just wondering which lights were supposed to be the brights and which are supposed to be the lows, inside or outside?
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Old 02-06-2005, 11:13 AM   #15
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i was just wondering which lights were supposed to be the brights and which are supposed to be the lows, inside or outside?
What do you mean by "supposed to"? If your WRC replica unit looks similar to what I posted in that linked thread up close, then since the low & high beams are identical, it doesn't matter which one is which.

Short of any specific regulation, imho, I prefer to have the light units on the outside. The farther out they are, the better peripheral coverage (given the same aim orientation) you can get. Mounting them close to the center will give the impression that your vehicle is farther away from others at night, which will increase the likelihood of others performing maneuvers in your way (e.g. oncoming traffic making a left turn, forcing you to brake hard), as if they have plenty of room.

Since the low beams get used more than the highs, then imho, having the low beams on the outside is preferred.

Another consideration is for a Xenon upgrade. The space behind the outer beam mount is roomier than the space behind the inner beam mount. It would be easier to install low beam Xenon unit on the farther out location imho.
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OK then what is your suggestion for xenon headlights? and seeing as how I am new to the whole headlight wiring thing... how would i switch the high and lows?
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Old 02-06-2005, 06:07 PM   #17
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oh and real quick, when my "lows" are on they seem really bright compared to the highs. Is this because they are a closer more focused beam pattern?
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As already mentioned, both lighting units are identical, so your low and high beams should look the same. If one is dimmer you may still not have the wiring correct.
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As already mentioned, both lighting units are identical, so your low and high beams should look the same. If one is dimmer you may still not have the wiring correct.
Agreed.

4WheelDrifter, does your current setup light up 1 pair for lows and 2 pairs (all) for highs?

If so, what you should do is make sure that on each side, the low and high only share the middle pin in the connector supplied. If the connector (that splits the 3 pins to the low & high beam units) you have is identical to what I had, all you need to do is gently depress the metal tab inside the pin so that you can pull the pin altogether from the connector, and then reinsert them so that only the middle one goes to both low & high beams.

If not, check all the fuses, and check for voltage drops from the pin to chassis.

Regarding Xenon headlights, Hella also makes 90mm Xenon low beams with roughly the same outside diameter as the Halogen 90mm projectors I've shown in one of the previous posts. Putting the Xenon version on the outside makes it possible for you to place the ballast right behind it, as the front clip opening is larger in that area. You might need to move the battery slightly backwards.

Hella also makes a biXenon unit of roughly similar outer dimensions. What this means is that it achieves both low & high beams by means of a movable plate inside. When you do, you obviously no longer need to have 2 pairs of 90mm units, so you can use the free holes for 90mm foglights, which Hella also makes.
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ok thanks for the replies. I have the wiring correct I think because I get one seperate light for each high and low.

satrya- would you suggest the bi-xenon lights or the hella 90mm lights?

I know now that this a DIY project and would like the most effective mod for these lights at the lowest cost.
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ok thanks for the replies. I have the wiring correct I think because I get one seperate light for each high and low.
What happens when you swap the connectors that go to the low & high beam units? Could it be the bulb condition?
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satrya- would you suggest the bi-xenon lights or the hella 90mm lights?

I know now that this a DIY project and would like the most effective mod for these lights at the lowest cost.
Ignoring the "lowest cost" constraint, biXenon obviously has a lot of benefits. For one, the steady-state power consumption of HID units of equal brightness is lower than that of a Halogen counterpart.
Halogen units also consume a majority of the electrical energy into producing heat. This means that heat is a bigger concern for Halogens.
Additionaly, for the 2-unit mount like the WRC replica, using biXenon units means that the second free mounting pair can be used for foglights. The higher position of the foglights and smaller diameter makes them less suceptible to damage by road debris.

Given the stark difference in price (~US$60 vs US$550+ each), and noting that projector Halogen units such as Hella's 90mm low beam projectors can be retrofitted with HIDs later on with performance between oem Hella 90mm HIDs & the Halogen, I tend to gravitate towards the 90mm Halogen units. Later on, you can retrofit them with minimal or no modification to the WRC replica units.

Here is a very good reference on retrofitting 90mm modules and headlights in general.
http://faqlight.carpassion.info/hella-90mm
That particular page also lists various options, starting from the most powerful. Obviously, the HID units fare better, but the 90mm Hella Halogen units with 65W bulbs should be very good.
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given that I have swapped the connectors on the lights, to try and switch the low and high beams, and that didn't work I am really tempted to get the xenon lights. yeah and the 90mm housings. is there a web site you could send me to that would show me how to modify the wrc replicas that would be great! Thanks again for your help!!
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given that I have swapped the connectors on the lights, to try and switch the low and high beams, and that didn't work I am really tempted to get the xenon lights.
There is a chance that the root of your problem may be upstream, so replacing the terrible units that came with the WRC replica with quality Hella units will not rid you of the problem.
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is there a web site you could send me to that would show me how to modify the wrc replicas that would be great! Thanks again for your help!!
Don't know any. But there was a thread started by azimiut (iirc), in which HID units are retrofitted on the WRC replicas.
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i'll take that into consideration... i took your comment and reversed the pins and the lights work fine, but the turn indicator is still blinking rapidly... would you know of anyway to fix this. more specifically the turn indicator on the side of the car doesn't light up at all . thank you for your help thus far, i will take your suggestions seriously... i just want to make these work right now.
I just got these same lights. I fixed the parking lights/turn signals and had the same problems you are having so listen up. The wiring harness they sent me for the turn signal was backwards. Simply unbolt the light so you can get at the turn signal. Cut both wires connected to the turn signal and resplice them to the other wire. (I forget what color they are, but no matter),
solder everything up for a good connection, put some electrical tape around each soldered part, reinstall the headlight, turn on your blinkers and you should have turn signals that not only work, but blink at a regular pace.
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well i've got these lights too guys, i used the factory turn signal harness from the origional light housing and put it on this one because the uk headlights have a factory subaru harness for the turn signal so i decided to do that and it works fine....but my highbeam light on my dash is always on right now and the highbeam (inside bulbs) are only lit when my lows are supposed to be on and both on each side light (very dimly) when my highs are supposed to be on... can anyone send me a diag. of how these are supposed to be wired or send a picture or anything...i'm in a huge binbd because i have to drive at night with these really bright bulbs and everyone yells at me haha
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