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Old 02-09-2005, 07:54 PM   #1
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Preface: I have an 03 TS, stock brakes f/r, 03 wrx 16" wheels.

I've been noticing that the front rotors on my TS are starting to develop "rutting" from the brakes. My pads never squealed, and the car has 25k on it, so I think the pads are still in the ok area. I have two main questions:

1. What would cause the rutting of my rotors? What is the most cost effective way to have the rotors faced? Where is the best place?
Correspondingly, is it worth it in this case just to have Aamco do the brakes and eat the labor costs?

2. If I go the self-fix method, which option would be most cost effective, withour negatively effecting my brake performance, and if possible increasing it?

I've been starting to notice brake fade under heavy braking, so I'm looking at four options.

1. Replace Pads w/ aftermarket pads: better braking, *probably* cheapest method that will improve current poor performance. I will need to get rotors faced.
2. Replace Pads w/ stock and just run them into the ground, stopping power be damned. Will cost me almost nothing.
3. Get new slotted rotors (if I can find them in stock sizing) and aftermarket pads.
4. Get WRX brakes used, get new after market pads, damn the cost. *Probably* will need to face rotors anyways.

I know everyone is going to say go WRX, but cost is a definate limitation.
I can do the work, I have shop access, and a wrench who will work for beer on the stuff I need help with, however parts cost and any machining of the rotors I will throw out of pocket. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
I did search in braking, but nothing I saw fell into the box of what I'm asking.

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Old 02-09-2005, 08:18 PM   #2
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I upgraded to WRX brakes with SS lines, better fluid and axis ultimate pads. Very cost effective. When I changed everything around @ 36k miles there was plenty of pad life left. Yes, I had the occasional squeak from the brakes also.

The "rutting" in your rotors is from normal wear. Most places will charge about $100 to "turn" or machine them so they're smooth. But if you take them off and bring them someplace, the cost is much less (about $20-30 for all four)

Just an FYI, the calipers weren't the same on my car and WRX, so I couldn't just change the caliper brackets to run the larger rotor. But then again I've got an '02, but the parts I used were off of an '02 WRX. Hmm...

Anywheres, stock rotors are fine for alot of stuff and them some. Look around, you can find WRX parts used for pretty cheap.
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Old 02-09-2005, 08:41 PM   #3
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'03 is great year for TSs. Last of the bugeyes, and you have 4 wheel dics.
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Old 02-10-2005, 01:17 AM   #4
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NO.... 03 TS has disk/drum setup (at least the one in my carport does... i'm up in canada tho if it makes a difference)..

one thing I noticed was the cost of the brakes (prob cheaper down in the states) but the front pads only lasted 25,000km and cost almost $200 to buy from the dealer (I changed them myself). The rotors were in very good condition.

Furthermore, the rear drums squeeks like crazy on the 03 ts......... taking the brake appart you can see that there is nothing wrong. Brining it to the dealer generally results in a clean + lube job (on all the pivoit points in the break system).... might last for 200km.. LOL
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Old 02-10-2005, 12:22 PM   #5
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'03 is great year for TSs. Last of the bugeyes, and you have 4 wheel dics.
You got the first part right Why did you post that ?

Discs in front, drums in back on the '03 TS in the US also.

BlkTS02: What benefit(s) did you notice after changing your rotors out? Is this a daily driver or autoxer or ??? One drawback in going to WRX rotors would be that I couldn't use the 15" stock steel wheels which we have snow tires on right now.

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Old 02-10-2005, 12:47 PM   #6
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good call on the winter wheels! I am definately keeping my 15" stockers as winter wheels, that would suck if I couldn't use them.
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Old 02-10-2005, 01:25 PM   #7
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good call on the winter wheels! I am definately keeping my 15" stockers as winter wheels, that would suck if I couldn't use them.
You still have options 1-3 available if you want to keep your steel stockers. Yet another scenario is to get a set of WRX wheels to use for winter, of course that's more $$$ and winter tires in 16" are more expensive than 15".

We have a set of WRX wheels like you do, for summer use, and just this year got some winter tires on the 15" steelies.

I don't have plans on upgrading the brakes, they're fine for how we drive. But I'm still curious about impressions of people that have.

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Old 02-10-2005, 02:25 PM   #8
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I say that if you are going to replace the pads and shoes, to upgrade to a WRX setup. You can probably get everything off of a junked one, pretty easily. Or if anything, upgrade at least the front pads to a good street compound, with some stainless lines, and possibly rotors. Try these guys for a junked WRX set of brakes www.fandsauto.com

Or better yet, there is always someone on here putting a BBK on their car. Get their used WRX setup. They would probably sell at a pretty nice price.

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Old 02-10-2005, 02:52 PM   #9
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Here is some stuff from FandS auto

http://www.fandsauto.com/asp/parts/ByStock.asp?S=022744
This is from a 2002 WRX. The calipers are there for $150 a piece, then just by aftermarket rotors and lines. I can't really think of anything else you would need for the fronts at least. Make sure you get the caliper brackets too.

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Old 02-10-2005, 06:58 PM   #10
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I know a lot of people buy used parts but i'm not sure about how good of an idea it is to buy a used break?

the chances that the rotors are warped are fairly high (most of the cars i've driven will end up with warped rotors after 2-3 high speed brakes). Furthermore, a few of my friends had ended up in accidents where they braked hard then crashed...... this ment hot brakes than stopped suddenly...... I think in everycase the car ended up with warped rotors
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Old 02-10-2005, 09:21 PM   #11
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I know a lot of people buy used parts but i'm not sure about how good of an idea it is to buy a used break?

the chances that the rotors are warped are fairly high (most of the cars i've driven will end up with warped rotors after 2-3 high speed brakes). Furthermore, a few of my friends had ended up in accidents where they braked hard then crashed...... this ment hot brakes than stopped suddenly...... I think in everycase the car ended up with warped rotors
On my above post, I said nothing about buying used rotors. I said buy aftermarket. The calipers were the only thing listed off of that car. I would think the calipers would be fine...especially if they were going to sell them..

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Old 02-10-2005, 09:25 PM   #12
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this ment hot brakes than stopped suddenly
And where is this written? I would think the other way around, cold brakes, so no bite, and then crashed. Unless the brakes were that hot that the things faded, and there were not brakes because they were so hot. If you are doing this on the street, you should be on a track, not on the street. Yes brakes get hot on the street, but not that hot that they fade, at least I have never gotten them that hot. Because if you are driving that hard on the street then you are an asshat, and maybe you caused that accident....

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Old 02-10-2005, 10:16 PM   #13
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I have an 04 OBS that came with the same brakes you have. IMHO, they just plain suck. I put 4-pots up front and H6 rears on it. It was pricey, but the damn car stops now. And I mean NOW.
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Old 02-11-2005, 03:08 AM   #14
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I'm not saying who's fault the accident was........ i'm sure a lot of WRX owners have gotten into accidents where it is their own fault.

When I mean hot brakes I don't mean hot to the point where they fade, but often (with highway crashes) one long hard brake (before the colision) then stopping the car right away (crashed) will cause the rotor to warp. The rotor under the pad area cools slower than the rest of the exposed rotor..


Having said that, when you said buy used WRX brakes, I though you ment the entire braking system... I did not notice you ment caliper only. The caliper should be fine but the pads/rotor should not be reused.
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Okay, I'm ressurecting this one from the grave. I am finally getting my brakes worked on, and given that I have been grinding my rotors into oblivion, I'm getting new ones.
My question here is suggestions on a good street compound pad for my TS. Stock brakes, stock rotors. I don't need anything SUPER, but better then stock would be nice. Any suggestions on pads would eb greatly appreciated.
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