Difference Between Cobb Stage 1 & Stage 2

rudy_t2004 · 02-09-2005, 09:47 PM

I have searched for about 2 1/2 hours, and I cannot seem to find out what the difference between the AP Stage 1 & AP Stage 2 is. I have gone to Cobb's home page and viewed the difference but all I can see is that the AP Stage 2 has the Turbo Back Exhaust, and is $1200 more. Am I correct?

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Skeete · 02-09-2005, 09:55 PM

yep, all stage 2 requires is a TBE, and its more expensive because of it.

rudy_t2004 · 02-09-2005, 10:00 PM

So basically it is a Stage 1 AP with the TBE, to make it Stage 2

Skeete · 02-09-2005, 10:12 PM

yep

finnRex · 02-09-2005, 10:32 PM

As long as you get a TB, you're good to go. You don't need to get a Cobb turboback, but any turboback that is 3". My suggestion, piece together a turboback. For the time being though, get the stage 1. It's a nice jump from stock.

Mika

sandiegowrx · 02-09-2005, 11:03 PM

When I went to stage 2 I just had an uppipe and dowpipe and was very pleased w/ the results. $500 new for both parts. If you want to, you can always add a catback later... it is not a necessity at stage 2. But of course I had to move onto stage 2.5!!

dakotaswirl · 02-09-2005, 11:04 PM

I wasn't impressed with Stage 1, but Stage 2 is definitely worthwhile. I recommend going straight to Stage 2 and not wasting your time with 1. The minimum requirement for Stage 2 is a catless downpipe, and you can get a shorty for about $150 from Oakos that will do fine if you're not planning big HP in the future. That combined with a catless uppipe (if you choose) and your ride will be significantly smoother and more powerful than stock.

rudy_t2004 · 02-10-2005, 12:58 PM

Yea, I was planning on purchasing the Stage 1 AP, the up & downpipe, and cat back. Which would put me at Stage 2. So yea that is what im going to do.

darksands · 02-10-2005, 09:06 PM

SOme people are jsut too confusing. Stage 2 ECU Flash is NOT Stage 1 Flash with a TBE. The Access Port is the ECU reflasher and you can have different programs on there which you can flash your car with. Now, Stage 1 requires a stock vehicle. YOu can have some minor modifications such as an up-pipe or IC hoses. In order to properly use the stage 2 map, you need at LEAST a Downpipe. I have a Helix Downpipe and a STi axleback, works just fine. YOu dont NEED to get the COBB TBE to run the stage 2 map. YOu dont purchase the "Stage 1 AP". YOu purchase the AP and then you load stage 1 map or stage 2 map which you can download for free on their site. The Power packages that you are probobly reffering to are the stage 1, which is just the AP. Stage 2 is the AP and a TBE.

rudy_t2004 · 02-16-2005, 08:14 PM

Thanks alot Dark that was very well said, and places an end to my search.

Thanks,

Rudy

mistaare · 02-17-2005, 02:21 PM

i just got an AP, i was reading through the directions (i only glanced at'em), but my question is,

are there maps already on the AP or do i have to download them first? i was under the impression that the downloading was only for future maps.

Evan · 02-17-2005, 05:15 PM

You shoulda started a new thread to ask this, but yes, it comes with maps preloaded. In fact, you must marry the AP to your car before you can download maps to it.

Quack · 02-17-2005, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mistaare

i just got an AP, i was reading through the directions (i only glanced at'em), but my question is,

are there maps already on the AP or do i have to download them first? i was under the impression that the downloading was only for future maps.

the maps are on there, but they just updated some feature/maps. i would upgrade it before installing it.

darksands · 02-17-2005, 05:24 PM

Although it comes with pre-loaded maps, I would recommend that you update the AP, directions on how to do that are on cobb's web page. Since you have an 04, it is recommended that you update the firmware on the AP. Dont marry the AP yet since you have to Unmarry it to update the AP.

mistaare · 02-17-2005, 10:57 PM

thanks. i am glad i asked. :-)

02-09-2005, 09:47 PM	#1
rudy_t2004 Scooby Specialist Member#: 77017 Join Date: Dec 2004 Chapter/Region: TXIC	Difference Between Cobb Stage 1 & Stage 2 I have searched for about 2 1/2 hours, and I cannot seem to find out what the difference between the AP Stage 1 & AP Stage 2 is. I have gone to Cobb's home page and viewed the difference but all I can see is that the AP Stage 2 has the Turbo Back Exhaust, and is $1200 more. Am I correct? * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

02-09-2005, 11:04 PM	#7
dakotaswirl Scooby Newbie Member#: 71697 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Austin, TX Vehicle: 2002 WRX Wagon Silver - Cobb Stage 2	Just get a DP and do Stage 2 I wasn't impressed with Stage 1, but Stage 2 is definitely worthwhile. I recommend going straight to Stage 2 and not wasting your time with 1. The minimum requirement for Stage 2 is a catless downpipe, and you can get a shorty for about $150 from Oakos that will do fine if you're not planning big HP in the future. That combined with a catless uppipe (if you choose) and your ride will be significantly smoother and more powerful than stock.

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Skeete Scooby Newbie Member#: 52569 Join Date: Jan 2004 Vehicle: 2004 STi	yep, all stage 2 requires is a TBE, and its more expensive because of it.

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rudy_t2004 Scooby Specialist Member#: 77017 Join Date: Dec 2004 Chapter/Region: TXIC	So basically it is a Stage 1 AP with the TBE, to make it Stage 2

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Skeete Scooby Newbie Member#: 52569 Join Date: Jan 2004 Vehicle: 2004 STi	yep

02-09-2005, 10:32 PM	#5
finnRex Caps 2012 Moderator Member#: 21095 Join Date: Jul 2002 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: Miss you, Charlie Murphy. Vehicle: RIP KTH & LMFH '09 Crystal red Tintcoat	As long as you get a TB, you're good to go. You don't need to get a Cobb turboback, but any turboback that is 3". My suggestion, piece together a turboback. For the time being though, get the stage 1. It's a nice jump from stock. Mika

02-09-2005, 11:03 PM	#6
sandiegowrx Scooby Newbie Member#: 41743 Join Date: Aug 2003 Chapter/Region: SCIC	When I went to stage 2 I just had an uppipe and dowpipe and was very pleased w/ the results. $500 new for both parts. If you want to, you can always add a catback later... it is not a necessity at stage 2. But of course I had to move onto stage 2.5!!

02-10-2005, 12:58 PM	#8
rudy_t2004 Scooby Specialist Member#: 77017 Join Date: Dec 2004 Chapter/Region: TXIC	Yea, I was planning on purchasing the Stage 1 AP, the up & downpipe, and cat back. Which would put me at Stage 2. So yea that is what im going to do.

02-10-2005, 09:06 PM	#9
darksands Scooby Specialist Member#: 75122 Join Date: Nov 2004 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: Im in a glass case of emotion Vehicle: 2005 Impreza WRX Crystal Gray	SOme people are jsut too confusing. Stage 2 ECU Flash is NOT Stage 1 Flash with a TBE. The Access Port is the ECU reflasher and you can have different programs on there which you can flash your car with. Now, Stage 1 requires a stock vehicle. YOu can have some minor modifications such as an up-pipe or IC hoses. In order to properly use the stage 2 map, you need at LEAST a Downpipe. I have a Helix Downpipe and a STi axleback, works just fine. YOu dont NEED to get the COBB TBE to run the stage 2 map. YOu dont purchase the "Stage 1 AP". YOu purchase the AP and then you load stage 1 map or stage 2 map which you can download for free on their site. The Power packages that you are probobly reffering to are the stage 1, which is just the AP. Stage 2 is the AP and a TBE.

02-16-2005, 08:14 PM	#10
rudy_t2004 Scooby Specialist Member#: 77017 Join Date: Dec 2004 Chapter/Region: TXIC	Thanks alot Dark that was very well said, and places an end to my search. Thanks, Rudy

02-17-2005, 02:21 PM	#11
mistaare Scooby Specialist Member#: 50439 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: da' burgh Vehicle: 04 wrx stg 2	i just got an AP, i was reading through the directions (i only glanced at'em), but my question is, are there maps already on the AP or do i have to download them first? i was under the impression that the downloading was only for future maps.

02-17-2005, 05:15 PM	#12
Evan Scooby Specialist Member#: 11218 Join Date: Oct 2001 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: Orange, CA Vehicle: 2005 Legacy GT Wagon 99 Miata, 91 Miata turbo	You shoulda started a new thread to ask this, but yes, it comes with maps preloaded. In fact, you must marry the AP to your car before you can download maps to it.

02-17-2005, 05:24 PM	#14
darksands Scooby Specialist Member#: 75122 Join Date: Nov 2004 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: Im in a glass case of emotion Vehicle: 2005 Impreza WRX Crystal Gray	Although it comes with pre-loaded maps, I would recommend that you update the AP, directions on how to do that are on cobb's web page. Since you have an 04, it is recommended that you update the firmware on the AP. Dont marry the AP yet since you have to Unmarry it to update the AP.

02-17-2005, 10:57 PM	#15
mistaare Scooby Specialist Member#: 50439 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: da' burgh Vehicle: 04 wrx stg 2	thanks. i am glad i asked. :-)