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View Poll Results: AVO turbo kit or WRX swap into my 2000 RS?
AVO turbo kit 33 35.11%
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Old 02-15-2005, 02:51 PM   #1
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Default AVO turbo kit or WRX swap?

OK, I've been going back and forth on this, and I'm not really sure what I want to do. I can get both of them done at RalliTEK for about the same price, but I'm still deciding which way to go. WRX swap is probably more reliable, and able to make more power after mods. But how much would I need to spend to make it equal to the AVO kit? WRX puts about 165 hp to the ground, and the AVO kit has been dyno'd to put 212 hp to the ground. AVO also has full boost at 2k, so turbo lag is nonexistant. But then again, the turbo lag from the WRX might help the tranny last longer. WRX swap will take about 2 weeks to get done, while the kit could be done the next day. They both sound good, but right now, I'm leaning more towards the AVO kit. Heck, I could probably pull it off in a couple years, sell it, and use that money to get a swap done then. Or keep the kit on, and get an STi shortblock in there. But without opening the block on the WRX engine, I can get up to 280 hp. But how much? GOSH, I'm so confused! Let me hear from you guys, tell me what you think.
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Old 02-15-2005, 03:00 PM   #2
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wrx swap for sure
its the same cost as the kit sure, but then with the wrx swap it opens up the doors for all kinds of other crap
also, while theyre doing it buy a used turboback and uppipe and have them install it
ull notice around 20 more whp
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Old 02-15-2005, 03:11 PM   #3
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or if u really wanna go nuts
wrx swap
ej257 block
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that way u can have some fun later on down the road
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Old 02-15-2005, 03:14 PM   #4
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WRX swap, not contest. The AVO kit is nice, but you are still running forced induction on an N/A motor. THe swap may not have the inital oomph, but it's still way more than your RS had before and much easier to upgrade than the AVO.

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Old 02-15-2005, 03:17 PM   #5
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if youre gonna be there anytime soon lemme know and we can hang out i need to go there for some road tuning and possible later on dyno
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Old 02-15-2005, 11:40 PM   #6
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Not gonna be there for a while yet, still getting the money together and making up my mind.

And keep the thoughts coming, more input is better. So far it's all WRX swap, but there's gotta be some people who say AVO.
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Old 02-15-2005, 11:42 PM   #7
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or if u really wanna go nuts
wrx swap
ej257 block
utec

that way u can have some fun later on down the road

If I was going to go with the STi block, I'd keep the heads I already have, and probably upgrade the AVO kit with a bigger turbo. But that's out of my budget, it's either the swap or kit.

Anyone kow how much more it would cost to get the WRX engine to put down 212 hp to the ground?
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Old 02-16-2005, 12:22 AM   #8
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due to the fact that you get better reliability, an engine made for turbo, which you can easily make 300whp on and not worry(tranny is another story). I would go with the wrx swap also. I mean if money were not an object, i would say do an STi 2.5 full swap, but if not that i say wrx

Its a sad but recurring theme, especially since we all have already done the AFI route. haha.

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Old 02-16-2005, 01:02 AM   #9
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I know you can get lots of power out of the WRX engine, but for the same money I can either have 165 WHP with the swap or 212 WHP with the kit. How much more would be needed to get the WRX motor to that level? If it's gonna cost another $1k, why bother, I'm not gonna have another spare grand laying around for quite a while after spending $5k for the work.
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Old 02-16-2005, 02:28 AM   #10
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For the same money, sure I would take the swap - but it's highly unlikely to be the case. Entrance cost usually is higher - maybe you guys are lucky down south to have a lot more shops capable of doing a swap in decent amount of time for decent money. Up here, I would have to spend about $2K more for a swap, still have to deal with the extra engine and have less power to start with. Reliability I would say bar none for the swap but hell I just got my kit and it took 2 weeks + due to wiring trouble.

I don't know - I have always been partial to AFI. Swapping the harness out scares me when I don't know of any capable hands locally available to me. Either I get gouged to death and I get a crappy job that took twice as long than it should be.
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On another note, it depends on your goal - I still thinks that for anything south of the 300 crank, you can be fine with either and I still thinks it would cost more for the swap to get there. Sure you have a much more reliable motor but at what cost? Beyond that it makes me seriously think again

I just don't have enough money to do a swap, nor do I have capable hands that I trust
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Old 02-16-2005, 12:36 PM   #12
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I tell you my old turbo kit is jinxed kgb. The wiring kit is!!

I'd say for reliability sake and if you just want a car to boot arond,a WRX swpa would be ideal. Up in Canada, a WRX swap is $10,000. I just got the AVO kit, installed it myself, and enjoyed every minute. If you plan on doing the STi shortblock, I'd recommend just going AVO route. If you go WRX swap, you'll end up replacing uppipe/downpipe/exhaust/engine management just to keep on par or slightly higher.
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Old 02-16-2005, 12:58 PM   #13
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I would agree that if short block is in the plans, might as well go AFI because you save the harness trouble, but it would cost more than a swap and you need some tuning to compensate for the lower compression with the EJ257.
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Old 02-16-2005, 05:30 PM   #14
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Well, STi shortblock isn't really "in the plans", but it's a possibility for the future if I go AVO.

OK, now one of my questions nobody has answered yet: how much would it cost to get the WRX motor to put the same power to the ground as the AVO kit will give me? The AVO has been dyno'd to put down about 50WHP more than a stock WRX motor.
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Old 02-16-2005, 05:38 PM   #15
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about a grand other than a manual bc and crossed fingers
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Old 02-16-2005, 10:53 PM   #16
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good tuning, little more boost, full exhaust, roughly a grand or more...
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See, there's the problem. It will cost more than a $1000 extra on top of the swap and 2 week downtime just to equal the power of the AVO kit, which will have just 1 day downtime. And I'm not going to have an extra grand for quite a while. This is a part of the reason I'm still leaning towards the AVO kit. But I'm still not settled on anything, so keep the opinions coming. Just please give a why, not just a what.
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Old 02-17-2005, 02:41 AM   #18
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why
because its more reliable power
youll notice if you ride in a modded wrx swapped RS vs one w/ a turbo kit
just driving around town, coming off of power etc
you can get close to it w/ the kit but for true "powerful comfort" id swap, but i bet as soon as i post this someones gonna say powerful comfort can be had from the kit, etc, it just all depends on like 2000 X 10^34 things
and also imagine yourself here in the forums in about 8 months with the thread post title "#4 is dust, what do i do now"

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WRX swap is nice if you got the time and money.

my plan is late fall turbo kit than over time rebuild the engine internals and have it become a sleeping beast(it will take some time)
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swap by far
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Hey marc wanna race?

I only have a 2.0 swap

I'm another vote for swap from someone who had a turbokit, and good management. And I love the swap so much more.

Then again I do have an STi swap... maybe save and do an STi swap instead of either?
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why
because its more reliable power
youll notice if you ride in a modded wrx swapped RS vs one w/ a turbo kit
just driving around town, coming off of power etc
you can get close to it w/ the kit but for true "powerful comfort" id swap, but i bet as soon as i post this someones gonna say powerful comfort can be had from the kit, etc, it just all depends on like 2000 X 10^34 things
and also imagine yourself here in the forums in about 8 months with the thread post title "#4 is dust, what do i do now"

Yeah, see, I've never ridden in either one. Heck, I've never even ridden in a WRX. But I do see your point of powerful comfort, and that does make a lot of sense. Keep it up, guys, I'm actually started to be swayed back to the swap side now that people are actually giving reasons. The power in 1 day from the turbokit is tempting, but the power potential of the swap is very tempting. Besides, with a swap, I'll be able to mod it myself, but with the kit, I'm peaked out.
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Reasons? This just doen't really help me any. I need to know WHY you have this opinion. Convince me!
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Hey marc wanna race?

I only have a 2.0 swap

I'm another vote for swap from someone who had a turbokit, and good management. And I love the swap so much more.

Then again I do have an STi swap... maybe save and do an STi swap instead of either?
We should since you have an EJ257 and my engine has the same compression of 9to1.


P.S. My pistons and rods are better than yours

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