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Old 02-17-2005, 10:21 AM   #1
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Default I am at an Automotive Crossroads..

As many of you seen, I have posted more than a couple of threads about looking at different cars. To keep those interested (all 1 of you). I still havenít made a decision. Hereís the issue, I am at an automotive cross road. Currently I have a weekend car that has slowly transformed in a track car. I am now at the point that I can either keep going in the direction I have been, and then loose the cars street ability, leave it as is and realize I wonít be competitive, or just start with something new.

The car as is has gotten a little too harsh for my wife, so she no longer rides in it on fun drives. It is also pushing the limit of being street legal. It still is, but not if I change much more.

If I really start diving into things, it will become a trailer queen, no problem with that, but I will miss the weekend jaunts on the local curvy roads in nice weather. The car is also 32 years old. It has some collectors value, and is also showing itís age. If I make the full crossover it will lose it collectablility and market value.

The other option is sell it and buy something else. The something Ďelsesí can be a full race car like a used Radical or GT car, or just a fun weekend car like a Miata or other 2 seat convertible. If I buy a built car, I will same a lot of time and will be competitive right out of the box. If I buy a good weekend car, I can use it more often, and just stick to HPDE events. A Miata can be locally competitive as is, which is why itís on my list.

My only restrictions are budget, and my wife has asked I only have one recreational car. Otherwise I would have both.

I know this will be my decision, but maybe some can point out items or thoughts I misses, so opinions? Which way would you go, track, weekend, or a compromise of each?

CN Ė Trying to decide on what type (as in track or road car) to go for. Just wanted some of the forumís thoughts.
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Old 02-17-2005, 10:23 AM   #2
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what's the "other" car?


Miatas ROCK!
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Old 02-17-2005, 10:26 AM   #3
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road car

shwo cars are pretty, but to me, it might look good, but if you can't roll out on the street and enjoy he car, it is useless.
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Old 02-17-2005, 10:34 AM   #4
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what's the "other" car?


Miatas ROCK!
'72 240Z
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Old 02-17-2005, 10:36 AM   #5
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road car

shwo cars are pretty, but to me, it might look good, but if you can't roll out on the street and enjoy he car, it is useless.
I am also not a show car person. I believe certain cars are made to be driven, and some driven harder than others.
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Old 02-17-2005, 10:38 AM   #6
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'72 240Z

ooooooooooo.

sweet car.....

how competive do you want to be?

National, regional? Auto-X or HPDE or W2W.......

sounds like you need to decide if you want to race or you want to tool around....

heh I have a fast car and then a race car
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Old 02-17-2005, 10:38 AM   #7
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Perfect car
'62 Ferrari GTO
According to Nick Mason - there is no such thing as a perfect car
but in the GTO you can carry a passenger, you can race it, you can rally it, it looks fantastic and everyone thinks you're tremendously clever for buying it in the first place. Also the more and more you drive it the louder it gets as you blast the silencer to pieces.
So there is no such thing as a perfect car but the GTO comes close.
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Old 02-17-2005, 10:43 AM   #8
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Perfect car
'62 Ferrari GTO
According to Nick Mason - there is no such thing as a perfect car
but in the GTO you can carry a passenger, you can race it, you can rally it, it looks fantastic and everyone thinks you're tremendously clever for buying it in the first place. Also the more and more you drive it the louder it gets as you blast the silencer to pieces.
So there is no such thing as a perfect car but the GTO comes close.

Random much?

Miata and '62 Ferrari not exactly in the same price range

N00b!
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Old 02-17-2005, 10:44 AM   #9
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Perfect car
'62 Ferrari GTO
According to Nick Mason - there is no such thing as a perfect car
but in the GTO you can carry a passenger, you can race it, you can rally it, it looks fantastic and everyone thinks you're tremendously clever for buying it in the first place. Also the more and more you drive it the louder it gets as you blast the silencer to pieces.
So there is no such thing as a perfect car but the GTO comes close.

i dont think i would try to rallyrace/cross that car.
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Old 02-17-2005, 10:44 AM   #10
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sounds like you need to decide if you want to race or you want to tool around....
exactly.

Right now I am Solo 1, TT, and a sprinkle of IT.

So roadcourses.
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Old 02-17-2005, 10:45 AM   #11
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The 240Z can be moderately competitive in SCCA ITS.

...but another vote for a Miata. They're easy to work on, reliable, parts are inexpensive, they're fun to drive, and there are several classes that they're competitive in.
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Old 02-17-2005, 10:45 AM   #12
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Perfect car
'62 Ferrari GTO
According to Nick Mason - there is no such thing as a perfect car
but in the GTO you can carry a passenger, you can race it, you can rally it, it looks fantastic and everyone thinks you're tremendously clever for buying it in the first place. Also the more and more you drive it the louder it gets as you blast the silencer to pieces.
So there is no such thing as a perfect car but the GTO comes close.
Let me see where I put that $200K at.
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Old 02-17-2005, 10:46 AM   #13
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The 240Z can be moderately competitive in SCCA ITS.

...but another vote for a Miata. They're easy to work on, reliable, parts are inexpensive, they're fun to drive, and there are several classes that they're competitive in.
That's the main point, it can be competitive, but It won't be street able any more. Or at least one I would drive around.
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bumping for the west coast crew..
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Random much?

Miata and '62 Ferrari not exactly in the same price range

N00b!
GTF Sacrasm much?
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Old 02-17-2005, 04:32 PM   #16
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GTF,
Is your Miata CSP? Or are you in a SCCA Roadrace or other series?
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Is your Miata CSP? Or are you in a SCCA Roadrace or other series?

it's CSP for Auto-X but I run TT's as well in ST4

I just got it and I'm prepping it for the track as much as I can
it is still street "legal" for the sole reason as I can't afford a tow vehicle and trailer
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Have your wife look into the future to see which car you will ultimately buy.





Or just get the Miata.
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She can't see the future, otherwise we would have won 10 lottos and I would be on a Subbie board..

well, maybe teh OT.
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I'd consider GTF's car a mildly prepped ITA car. It wouldn't take much to make it either a Spec Miata or ITA car, but it's not there yet. For a Miata, your best bet if you still want to keep it streetable and be competitive, find a 1.6 and run it in ITA. teh Spec suspension is no fun for driving on the street.
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lol, great PM recieved trying sum things up...

Better tha my CN..

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let's clear up the choices...

1 - do nothing = leave car as is, won't be competitive racing, no fun weekend drives with the wife, no fun upgrade projects, keeps collectors/resale value

2 - go further on the current car = competive, fun upgrade projects, still no weekend drives, loses collectors/resale value, becomes a trailer car

3 - sell current car, get new one (miata for example) - competitive racing, upgrade projects, weekend drives, no worries about resale value

4 - sell current car, buy a built race car = competitive, room for upgrades?, no weekend drives, no resale issues, definitely a trailer car
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update...

After discussing this with the wife last night, she says

"why don't you just sell the Z and GS and buy something like an M3. I don't care what you want as long as it has a back seat...oh, and you don't wreck it at a track.".

So one more possibility thrown into the fire..
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I'd consider GTF's car a mildly prepped ITA car. It wouldn't take much to make it either a Spec Miata or ITA car, but it's not there yet. For a Miata, your best bet if you still want to keep it streetable and be competitive, find a 1.6 and run it in ITA. teh Spec suspension is no fun for driving on the street.
agreed.... I run 1/2 the SM spring rates and it hurts at times
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