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Old 02-24-2005, 03:05 PM   #1
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Default Hydra OR AEM EMS

Yeah I know I'm about to start a war.

Who has the most users.
Who has the most/best support.
Is there pre-made maps for either.
Price wise looks like Hydra would be the winer.
And last what separates the two from each other or what makes one better than the other.
(If you have any other questions please ADD them)

Now I know that UTEC, ECUTEK, AND AP users are going to suggest to just use your respective EM system, however they all have some thing I don't like, so I'm looking for some thing different.
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Old 02-24-2005, 03:36 PM   #2
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And last what separates the two from each other or what makes one better than the other.
Two words:
Phil Grabow
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Element Tuning

With AEMS you are nearly on your own (same goes for Motec, Haltec, TEC3, ...). I think we are up to around 100 Element Hydra users now. Setting up a stand alone management system is not a walk in the park. It's damn hard. You can't imagine how many things you totally take for granted with the stock ECU. Phil doesn't have all the answers, but he has put together the Hydra with a 'gifted' level of programming and trouble shooting.

Someday, when I'm retired, I'll try to completely program a stand alone from scratch. Until then, having Phil dedicate a year and half of his life to working out most of the bugs for me, well, I'm grateful.

Oh yeah.....read more buddy!! Your question is waaaaayyyyyyy to general for this crowd. They'll make you wish never bought a Subaru.
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Old 02-24-2005, 06:59 PM   #3
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Well... There are many tuners certified by AEM which you could go and take your car to get tuned I would go EMS if you live close to tuners, And what are you planing to drop into your car?
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Old 02-24-2005, 07:27 PM   #4
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do not get the AEM EMS..

I've got it now and it came corrupt.. just not working properly...
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Old 02-24-2005, 08:06 PM   #5
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Ive got the AEM EMS and love it. For all the people that say your alone there is no support check out the AEM Electronics forums. There is nothing wrong with the hydra its a great system with great support just sharing my experience with the aem ems.

BTW mistaboosta not to be rude but if your the same person on the AEM forums you were explained there that the EMS was designed for US SPEC WRX not EURO SPEC. So please do not post that the EMS does not work and its corrupt.

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Old 02-24-2005, 11:31 PM   #6
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AEM EMS gets my vote over the hydra too.

plenty of room to expand on it later too
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Old 02-25-2005, 12:34 AM   #7
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yeah Where I live there are 6 tuners that are certified with the EMS so if somethings wrong they can tweak it Another thing right know theres not that many Hydra tuners
so... you better know how to tune or else your in for alot of problems!!!

Plus with the Aem you get to keep cruise control... LOL I love it so it matters to me
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Old 02-25-2005, 12:57 AM   #8
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Well... There are many tuners certified by AEM which you could go and take your car to get tuned I would go EMS if you live close to tuners, And what are you planing to drop into your car?
Right now I'm in Las Vegas, in MID march I'll be moving to California, Pasadena area...as for mods I only have DP, and after cat HKS, and not sure what I want to add as of yet, however AEM or HYDRA should give me any mod options I wish to get in the near future. I also havenít the slightest idea on how to tune it, and will have to be done at a shop.

Any Hydra Users out there ?

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Ive got the AEM EMS and love it. For all the people that say your alone there is no support check out the AEM Electronics forums. There is nothing wrong with the hydra its a great system with great support just sharing my experience with the aem ems.
Are you in the Socal area ?
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Old 02-25-2005, 01:00 AM   #9
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Why is there soo many thread asking about if they should buy the hydra.. Do some research on what it does. Then make your own mind. Or search.

I'm a hydra user.
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Old 02-25-2005, 01:09 AM   #10
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no I live in AZ... Well in a few days I do

Yea I would think some would know alot about the hydra out there, and same with the Ems.. so its up to you both are great systems
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Old 02-25-2005, 01:39 AM   #11
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Why is there soo many thread asking about if they should buy the hydra.. Do some research on what it does. Then make your own mind. Or search.
I'm a hydra user.
soo you couldnít just say how your experience with the HYDRA has been, now are all HYDRA users as grumpy as you? (Never mind) as far as I can see there are ZERO threads comparing the two systems...oh and thanks for your informative and positive feed back.
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Old 02-25-2005, 03:20 AM   #12
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Hydra user for the last 36 hours, and like it so far quite a bit. I am not familiar with the AEM though, so I can not compare.


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Old 02-25-2005, 03:35 AM   #13
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soo you couldnít just say how your experience with the HYDRA has been, now are all HYDRA users as grumpy as you? (Never mind) as far as I can see there are ZERO threads comparing the two systems...oh and thanks for your informative and positive feed back.

No problem.
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Old 02-25-2005, 09:47 AM   #14
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IMO, the AEM/GEMS unit is a better system.
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Old 02-25-2005, 10:05 AM   #15
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the AEM unit doesnt have the resolution that the hydra does. ive have a friend running the AEM and he's put in ALOT and i stress alot of time just to get going.
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Old 02-25-2005, 10:48 AM   #16
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The real problem is that there hasn't been quite enough time for the (Element Tuning version) Hydra yet. I think that given more time it will prove to be the better system. Once the Phil G. Roadshow is in full swing and there are plenty of tuners up to speed with plenty of experience on the Hydra it will be very happy days for us Hydra owners (not that they aren't already for those of us who have them).

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Old 02-25-2005, 11:00 AM   #17
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IMO the AEM is junk. Every car I've tuned an aem on has always had various ecu quirks, only connects to the software when it wants to, and has a tendency to just flake out in general. I personally would wait for the autronic sm4 over either of these systems. Not only is it superior hardware, its software is incredible and super easy to use.
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Old 02-25-2005, 11:14 AM   #18
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Can the AEM control AVCS now? As I recall, this was not available in earlier releases of AEM for the STi. Hydra has always had this capability.
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Old 02-25-2005, 04:52 PM   #19
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Can the AEM control AVCS now? As I recall, this was not available in earlier releases of AEM for the STi. Hydra has always had this capability.
I believe the 30-1070 box can control it, but the STi uses two signals instead of one like the RSX uses, you may need and amplifier to split the signal. the 1070 has one PWM output that is mapable.

the AEM has all of the hardware to control all of this stuff, its just a matter of unleashing the right software to do it.

AEM is not junk, its just doesn't work well on 6 cylinder cars like supras. We've never had a problem with the WRX's and Honda's we done with them. their software has come a long way over the past couple years and there are fewer and fewer issues with each update. for the money its a very respectable unit.

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Old 05-24-2005, 01:36 PM   #20
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AEM is not junk, its just doesn't work well on 6 cylinder cars like supras. We've never had a problem with the WRX's and Honda's we done with them. their software has come a long way over the past couple years and there are fewer and fewer issues with each update. for the money its a very respectable unit.

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I've never really heard of any Supra owners complain about it. Matt Scranton said he's never had any issues with it on his drag cars or his Supra.

I'm trying to figure out if I want the AEM or the Hydra too, I'm leaning towards Hydra for its AVCS control. Any updates on the AEM AVCS yet?
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Old 05-24-2005, 04:04 PM   #21
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I'm trying to figure out if I want the AEM or the Hydra too, I'm leaning towards Hydra for its AVCS control. Any updates on the AEM AVCS yet?
I haven't heard of any. I have only heard (and it very well could be wrong) that AEM is still not happy with the setup thanks to the DBW throttle on the STi.

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Old 05-25-2005, 12:38 AM   #22
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The AEM is a solid system, and their base map for the WRX is actually quite good now. I've used the AEM on my old Integra, on my current WRX, and on a company Evo. It takes some reading to figure out all the settings, but if you're tuning your own car you should really do at least that much homework anyway. The Hydra certainly seems to have a bigger fanbase on here, but the AEM has the support of a huge community of users on different platforms, and their knowledge is a big help as well.
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Old 05-25-2005, 12:51 AM   #23
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AEM does DBW?
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Old 05-25-2005, 10:14 AM   #24
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I think the AEM is out for the STi, but I really dont keep track of the STi
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Old 05-25-2005, 11:17 AM   #25
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one thing that i think alot of ppl here are missing is that the AEM is not new to subarus.. its a repackaged GEMs which iirc is one the more popular group-n ecus for some time
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