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Old 07-17-2001, 07:28 PM   #1
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Smile What mods are more important and how to get the most bang for you buck?

If you had around 300 extra dollars every 2 weeks to put into you wrx what mods would you do. like most everyone else I'm torn between performance parts. Any help as always is appreciated.
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Old 07-17-2001, 08:29 PM   #2
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spend it on gas, while you can. pick a direction and go
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Old 07-17-2001, 10:45 PM   #3
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Get rid of all 3 cats
Larger turbo
boost controller
Eventually get rid of stock ECU.
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Old 07-18-2001, 10:33 AM   #4
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I agree with Wreqs, but modifying the WRX is inevitable so here goes:

Kartboy short shifter + bushing app. $110
Gauge pod with essential gauges app. $500
Sway bars (stiffer rear bar) app. $200
K&N air-filter app. $80 + Resonator modification
Exhaust... cat-back/turbo back/cat-less... (All depends on what you want to do.)
Better brake pads and suspension
Then Stage1/Stage2 chip tuning

I think this should take care of the basic stuff you would want, and should be within your budget.

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Old 07-18-2001, 11:14 AM   #5
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You should be able to find a K&N Panel Filter for $50. You're getting ripped if you paid $80 for it.
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Old 07-18-2001, 11:44 AM   #6
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In this order:

Tires/Wheels (just tires is fine, too)
Driving School (Skip Barber rocks, so does Panoz, I hear)
Suspension
Brakes (stockers are quite good, but stainless lines and uprated fluid are a good idea)
Exhaust (if you want it to sound cool)
Panel Filter (more air can't hurt)

This car needs nothing else, and it certainly doesn't need any more HP. I would tweak for a tad more low-range oomph if I could, but it's already too fast for normal traffic, IMHO.

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Old 07-18-2001, 02:37 PM   #7
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I'd save it to get more later. But if I had to, I'd get a K&N panel filter. A manual boost controller and boost gauge. And Rev Lab Alum rear swaybar links.

If you can wait, I'd get that and better tires. Then you'd be in good shape.

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Old 07-18-2001, 05:40 PM   #8
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Itall comes down to what YOU want out of the car. best bang for the buck on ANY turbo car is:

exhaust, intake, turning up the boost....you will never gain more performance, or recognize such a remarkable difference for this outlay of cash (figure somewhere under $2k, depending on what you selct component wise).

From there, suspension, wheels, shifter, and as Dan said, the ecu is a huge limiting factor as well....piggybacks might work well on this car, but it is too early to tell. Standalne is a great route, but often out of the reach 9budget wise) of many potential buyers.
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Old 07-18-2001, 05:57 PM   #9
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This car needs nothing else, and it certainly doesn't need any more HP. I would tweak for a tad more low-range oomph if I could, but it's already too fast for normal traffic, IMHO.

Kevin
LOL! This car is pretty slow stock for a turbo car. I'd say more power is almost essential to have any fun with the car. I personally still think my car us a slug even with my mods and coming from a modified ITR it is I suppose. I hope this big turbo upgrade will help. I'd say the uppipe/downpipe is most important along with turbo upgrade. A boost controller is probably necessary with the turbo upgrade as well as some tuning of your fuel with electronics means of some sort. The tires and driving school are probably a good idea as well as a front LSD/upgraded brakes if you plan to track the car.
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Old 07-18-2001, 06:33 PM   #10
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Then we have different cars, God. I quote a racing friend who drove my car, and his views on modding a stock WRX for power:

"Stupid."

I'm not as harsh as he is, and understand that people have different needs from this car, so I will simply stick to my original statement, bereft of any laughing out loud at anyone, thanks. A 3K launch from a stoplight, when needed, gives me all the fun I need. I don't want to be the fastest car on the road, or drag race pony or Z cars. I just want to have fun. This car has more than enough power for ME to have fun. Obviously, others are different, and more power to them, both literally and figuratively.

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Old 07-18-2001, 07:32 PM   #11
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1. $50 on K&N filter + Silencer removal + ECU reprogram

2. $125 on Kartboy shifter and bushing

3. $5 - Intercooler mesh screen - from any hardware store

There goes ~$200. Spend $100 on gas or get about $50 more for BOV.

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Total = $330 - $30 over what you have
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Old 07-18-2001, 08:21 PM   #12
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pux, with about $600 every month you can do alot to the Rex. First I would have a goal more power, better handling, braking, or cosmetic. It is all up to you to decide your goal. If plan to autox, handling and braking (tires) should be the first on your list. I think the car handles pretty well already (except for the tires). Braking is good and I think the wagon looks good already.

So that leaves the power... I have a K&N w/ the silencer removed, MBC and M2 exhaust (turbo back). Don't believe gtguy that the exhaust is just for sound (unless you go cat back, then the gains are minimal). You pick up mid and top end power and spools up a bit faster. IMO, this is the way the car should have been from the factory. Don't get me wrong, the Rex is faster than most cars out there, but it could be faster and the fun factor keeps going up with more power. And throw in the Kartboy and bushings and you have a different car. I am thinking about an M2 up-pipe, but that would be it for power for awhile.

These are pretty basic mods and with the kind of extra cash you have, I would do these first because if you go for HP you will need an exhaust anyway and the MBC is so cheap that you can sell it and loose very little money. For more serious mods, I would wait a bit to see how all the other guys that changing turbos, TEC II, etc come out.
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Old 07-18-2001, 09:26 PM   #13
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hey guys I really appreciate all you info but myself i'm really more into raw power than asthetics, so anything else is a big help. Also what about gauges, I've talked to some people about the lack of gauges in the rex and they I need gauges before I make any mods?
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Old 07-18-2001, 09:28 PM   #14
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Indeed, I should have clarified that my exhaust was a cat-back, which is mostly a sound mod. Until I see stock vs. cat-back vs. full up dyno tests, I'm unconvinced about turbo back systems' ultimate goodness.

Look, with enough money and bag lunches, you can do anything you want to the car, including installing an STi 6-speed gearbox. But hell, why bother with all that? Take $500 right now, get in line for an STi, and be patient.

I don't do power mods to my cars, especially this one. They cost a lot, and the gains aren't generally sufficient to warrant the expense, IMHO. Tires, brakes, and suspension will save your butt, vs. putting a turbo-back system and BOV on a car with stock wheels, tires and suspension.

Sure, you'll gain a second, second and a half in the 1/4-mile. Hooray, IMHO. Fun factor doesn't increase with power unless you know what to do with it. But more reliably (for the car), fun factor increases exponentially with driver skill, braking, and grip. Tell a Mazda Miata driver that his car isn't fun, or a Porsche Boxster owner. Heck, my Legacy GT wagon was fun and it didn't have anywhere near the power of a WRX. It did, however, have brake, wheel/tire and suspension mods.

It's your call and you car ultimately, and I admit that my view, though sensible, is unpopular on this board. So I'll bow out of this discussion and let the real men take over.

Kevin

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Old 07-18-2001, 10:12 PM   #15
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I guess I do drive a different car. Stock WRX, sluggish at best, NO top end, sloppy handling, crap tires, can be outbraked by a Buick. I bought it because it had potential, certainly not because of how it felt out of the box (which is pretty pitiful). Type R owners often ask me how I compare it to the Type R. I say "well, out of the box it doesn't, but just you wait". But hey, for $23K there's plenty of money left for mods right? At least that was my thinking.
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Old 07-19-2001, 12:26 PM   #16
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Old 07-19-2001, 12:45 PM   #17
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Automatic owners.... most bang for your buck???

PERIOD

Torque converter...

16.1 to a 14.7 quarter....

$1200 exhaust... 3/10ths...

'nuff said?

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Old 07-19-2001, 01:01 PM   #18
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Mine to Brotha G, My ITR treated EG would kill my WRX in everyway. But give me another few weeks...

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Old 07-19-2001, 01:18 PM   #19
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Pux: don't waste your money on this sluggish, pitiful car. Save your pennies so you can go buy a real car. No matter how much you spend on mods, it will always just be a slow, awful handling tin can. Just go buy a ITR.
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Old 07-19-2001, 04:01 PM   #20
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Pux: You need gauges as the very first thing if you want to raise the power of the car. At the minimum you need boost and EGT or A/F. Also I've heard that you should wait until 4-5K miles before starting power mods so the engine is more broken in.

Here's my planned order of mods (prices are approximate):
Lightweight 17" alloys + tires: $2200 (you could just get tires for $400)
Quality synthetic oil everywhere: $40
ITG panel filter (or K&N): $50
Silencer removal: free
Upgraded brake pads, steel brake lines, fluid: $300
OR Brembo/AP 4-pot kit: $1980+installation )
Suspension mods: haven't decided yet...
Gauges, Boost, EGT, A/F, oil pressure: $200-300 (?)

After that, it gets tricky. I am still deciding between what I call "stage 0-stage 3" performance mods:

Stage 0: Exhaust, intake, MBC, ~250 HP: $1500
Stage 1: Turbo, piggy back ECU, uppipe, ~280 HP: $3000
Stage 2: FMIC, better ECU, tuning, ~320 HP: $5000
Stage 3: Stroker kit, engine build, half dog box (1-3), etc, etc, ~380+ HP: $10000+

I think I would be happy with "Stage 1", but I LOVE the looks of an FMIC... And a stroker kit would sure help the low end torque...

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Old 07-19-2001, 05:52 PM   #21
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ahh you poor guys... it hurts me reading about you people throwing away your money. When are you all going to realize all you need is a boost guage, MBC, and most importantly A BIGGER TURBO. Argue all you want about "making the engine breath better", but I'm sorry I FORCE FEED air to my engine, so minor intake/exhaust modifications are negligible. Want more power? Give force feed it more air. Turbo is the best bang for the buck hands down. Save your money and hold out for a bigger turbo. Bigger is better... you complain about turbo lag your in the wrong gear.


Also... you poor cursed automatic people... All you need to go fast is a higher stall torque converter. I'm sure 3500 RPM will make you guys run 13's all day long.. Grr.

Just my .02
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Boost....

and when my car lasts 100k miles more then yours because I did the system properly... we'll talk..

I could but a VF.1 turbo on my car that flows 50 bazillion CFM.. but what good is it when the car can't even get air in and out properly?

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Hey, lot's of posts about the WRX but anybody out there successfully turbo'd a late model Legacy 2.5 Phase II? I've heard of some cracked head issues. I'd specifically be looking for a kit with turbo, intercooler and piggyback computer system that a local shop can install. I just don't have time to spend not driving.
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