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Old 07-19-2001, 12:52 AM   #1
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Hey all, I finally got off my lazy ass and wrote up a review for the ludespeed turbo kit that I have, and took some pics too.

ok, first some background, I was in on the original Ludespeed group buy, took a little longer than expected, but Tom was great at keeping us up to date on the status of the kits.

Here's ludespeed's site http://turbo_25rs.tripod.com/ seems that he's stopping any new orders so he can work on getting current ones out, good idea and better than just taking peoples orders when he knows he can't get them done in time.

Tom is a perfectionist, always willing to listen to concerns and complaints and act on them, fixing whatever he can.

I highly recommend Tom as a vendor and turbo kit maker, he was great to work with, very honest, and a good work ethic.

ok, on to the kit

I got the Stage 1 kit here's what it included, (if I can remember it all)
S-AFC
T3 Turbo
Apex'i BOV
Deltagate Wastegate
K&N Airfilter
autometer boost guage
all piping
all fittings and brakets

About the install (ColinL can chime in and bring up more points if I forget them)
Tom included instructions which were very helpfull, whole install was spread out over saturday and sunday
removing the oil pan is easier than expected.
there were a couple issues with brakets, the braket that holds the turbo to the tranny, the two bolt holes that line up with the tranny were just a tad too short, so a few minutes with the drill to expand one of them and it fit. Same thing for the braket that goes on the turbo intake side to the air filter. had to actually rethread one of the holes on the turbo compressor (it is very very soft metal) because it started to get cross-threaded.

other than that install pretty much went according to the instructions (Colin correct me if I'm forgetting something)

the O2 sensors are a bitch to get on and off, very hard to get on especially with jet-hot coating adding thickness to the threads (thanks for the brute force on those Colin)

Downpipe does hit the crossmember sometimes, not too often but it's there. and the K&N filter is just too long for the whole MAF assembly, smacked against the fender wall, going to try to replace it with a small mushruum foam filter soon.

Still need to tune it, after I get an EGT guage, right now my method has been dumping in a ton of extra feul when I'm on the gas, the other method has been to just stay off the gas that much. and I also need to adjust the BOV as it is leaking boost, I tightened it up a little bit, but it needs more.

now for the pictures:


here's the boost guage in the nice subaru guage pod.


Here's the custom mount for the S-AFC, a little hard to read while driving, but I can see the throttle position, and that's all I really need to see, I can just lean down to make any adjustments I need. (while parked of course)


here's the whole engine bay.


here you can see the Apex'i Twin Chamber BOV, and the jet-hot coated intake charge pipe. I don't recommend jet-hot coating for the intake pipe, as I think it's holding the intake temperatures in the pipe, where a non-coated pipe would allow them to dissapate more. Stay tuned for an update on a project for the charge pipe, involves sandblasting the jet-hot coating off and coiling some lines around it and pumping cool water around the charge pipe.


here is the turbo, all jet-hot coated, so it still looks nice and brand new.


you can see how crammed in there the K&N filter is.


I got my kit without a cat, so I thought this light would never go off, but for some reason it went off a couple of weeks ago and hasn't been on since. very strange.

you can browse some of the other kit pictures at http://thetwin314.mine.nu/pics/Turbo/
mainly just pictures of the kit out of the box
sorry, didn't bring the camera to the install, wish I would have though

so far I'm happy with the kit, had to fix a couple oil leaks that were my fault, and they're all gone now (although I did notice one small spot today, maybe it's just cuz it's so dang hot and some leftover oil just accumulated and dripped, fingers crossed)

I just wish I could tune it properly so I could really get a good feel for it, but so far it's a noticable power increase, and wouldn't ever go back to N/A.

more updates after I get an EGT guage and tune it better (hopefully).

thanks for listening
Eli
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Old 07-19-2001, 01:59 AM   #2
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good job on getting it installed. I have yet to install mine, dread working in the humid weather right now!
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Old 07-19-2001, 02:20 AM   #3
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nice info. so far it seems all good things about the ludespeed kit. Any plans on getting an IC as it does get hot in KS right? That bov looks nice, how does it sound? Looks like if that may be a problem if you do get an IC as to fitment (maybe one of those skinny long ICs that JCS does will work)

Trust me the CEL will come back on. mine came on and off and stayed off for almost a month, then came back on for good. and i even have a cat.
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Old 07-19-2001, 02:59 AM   #4
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If you've reset your ECU, it takes a while for it to complete the catalyst testing, and then the light will come on with a catalyst effiency code. *shrug*

Watch out for detonation! I can't stress this enough!

Looks nice with the black Jet-Hot coating, though. Makes the engine bay look stock. I wouldn't remove it though... it keeps out the heat soak from the engine bay more then letting the cool air cool it down from the scoop being open.
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Old 07-19-2001, 04:04 AM   #5
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if i got such a kit would i have to install it all myself or could i pay someone to do it b/c im not to cofident about doing my own engine work without F***ing it up

and if there is a problem with knock would it be possible to get a knock sensor put in with this kit?(sorry don't know much about those)
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Old 07-19-2001, 11:26 AM   #6
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no plans for an IC yet, as the funds just aren't there, I wish I could get one though, I'd feel a lot safer.

and yes it gets hot in KS, hot and humid, was about 102-105 yesterday.

the Apex'i BOV sounds very nice, a whoosh noise, and it has 3 different settings for the sound volume, adjusted by the holes on the red ring around the center of it. not needed for performance but it makes it sound cool it's very loud though.

well the ECU was reset during the turbo install, the CE light came on during the drive home after the install and stayed on for a while, and now it's off again, very weird, same thing happened when I had my car N/A with the gutted Cat section (for sale if anyone wants it) no real gains to be had on N/A but I needed to do it since my first cat was breaking up (I hit it with a rock) and blocking the passage on the second cat.

I originally thought that the jet-hot would keep the heat soak out of the intake pipe as well, but you should feel that thing, even after just normal driving, it's HOT, since there is jet-hot coating on all the exhaust pipes, it's making my exhaust temps higher when they hit the turbine, which heats up that entire impeller shaft, which in turn heats up the intake charge, and the jet-hot holds in in the pipe and then into the manifold and into the cylinder, increasing my chances for detonation.

that's my thoughts on it so far though.

eli

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Old 07-19-2001, 03:24 PM   #7
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How did you mount your SAFC there?
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Old 07-19-2001, 03:35 PM   #8
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STiShawn - Just take out the ashtray brackets and make a small bracket for the backside (I think... never seen his setup, but the guess should work). It's a very nice install there, actually.
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Old 07-19-2001, 03:36 PM   #9
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Just pull off the console, then remove the ashtray, and take a nice cutting device and cut behind where the ashtray is, then just some double sided tape to stick it in there and viola.

a little hard to explain, sorry, wish I woulda take some pics, but it's pretty self explanatory once you pull the console off and look behind there, a lot of cutting involved though, thanks to Colin and Terrance for cutting on stuff I think that terrance was getting a little too happy doing it though

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Old 07-19-2001, 04:55 PM   #10
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on the ashtray mount it was a cut-off disc on an die grinder, and then some finishing up with a dremel. between that and enlarging the gauge pack for the 2 1/16" domestic-sized gauges, there was plastic crap flying everywhere!

Eli, you about covered it all-- all I would add is:

Don't bother with the crappy gasket that comes with the oil return line from the turbo... it's too easy for it to oil soak and become useless.

Instead go to a Yamaha dealer and pick up a tube of Yamabond, your driveway will thank me later. Soon you will learn the value of Yamabond as a great all-purpose semi drying gasket / sealer and you'll be telling others about it too.

Oh, and also count on the jet hot reducing the size of everything with a hole just enough that you have to lightly hog it out with a drill bit by hand. And if it's a threaded hole... well that's just fun.
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Old 07-19-2001, 04:58 PM   #11
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What do you use for boost control? The wastegate? If you just adjust boost with your wastegate, dont you bleed boost at higher rpms? How much psi are you running on the stage1 kit?

-I was thinking about going with the ludespeed kit, but I dont like the face that it doesnt fit just right. I am going to talk to someone and get a custom kit made that will fit easily in there. Tuning is supposed to be the hard part, not installation IMO.

-Justin

Btw: It looks NICE!!!
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Old 07-19-2001, 05:10 PM   #12
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justin, any kit is going to be like this unless it's fabbed just for your car and your car is in the welder's possession.

this one was actually pretty good, other than the intake pipe being too long and downpipe too high and fouling on the crossmember. I was really glad nothing needed to be rewelded because of the jethot and the fact I can't weld worth piss, but I can cut pretty nice holes in things.
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Old 07-19-2001, 05:47 PM   #13
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Thats what I am talking about, , I cant cut metal, and I cant weld or do any other type of labor just b/c I dont know how or have the tools. I can solder and thats about it...
I need a kit that I dont have to modify to fit my car. I mean it shouldnt be THAT hard to make a kit that you can simply BOLT together to your car, why would that be difficult? Please explain to my dumb_@ss .
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Old 07-20-2001, 10:57 AM   #14
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Justin, installing the kit isn't that bad, just make sure that you have somebody helping you, and you're doing it somewhere where a lot of tools and knowledge are available, that's why I had colin help me and did it at his dad's house.

could I have done this by myself, hell no, but I could thanks to the help of a knowledgable person (Colin), it's good to learn a lot too if you have someone help you, plus you save all that money that you would have spent for somebody else to install it for you.

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Justin - You shouldn't need to weld (I didn't other then the EGT probe installation). Cutting metal is always useful, and having drill bits to clean up holes is always useful as well. I also had to use a silicone hose that I happened to have laying around to complete the filter-to-turbo pipe connection because of a miscalculation when Tom was making the pipes. Not a big deal at all.
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Ok, I am just asking because this car is my only transportion and I would be taking 1-2weeks off work sometime early next year to install a kit. I just want it to run smoothly .
Thanks for your insight,
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Old 07-29-2001, 06:41 PM   #17
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Dont plan on not needing to cut and reweld pipes together for clearance. I spent more time rebuilding the kit than installing it.
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Old 07-29-2001, 09:30 PM   #18
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I didn't have to cut and reweld anything

I could have for the downpipe, but I don't think that you have to cut it, you could probably just weld a braket on to hold it away from the crossmember, really though, it's not too much of an issue for me,

the kit was pretty much correct, except for a few minor things, much better than the first minnam kits from what I've heard.

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