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Old 02-09-2005, 10:50 PM   #76
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[quote=FaastLegacy]Yeah if someone had credible sources other than "the guys at the dealer told me such and such" I might be more apt to believe it. Again I'll believe it when I see it.

I do hope it's true though.
For your information, I did not talk to a dealership. They are guys who work for subaru canada. They are from Japan. cheers.
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Old 02-09-2005, 11:02 PM   #77
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Thanks for the correction Jon. I actually did go to the SIA website and found no mention of an engine assembly area.
Actually, it's impossible to find a link to the SIA press release I cited from any www.subaru-sia.com page accessible from their home page, so it's not your fault if you actually tried. I'm just trying (without success) to keep the discussion on track.
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Old 02-09-2005, 11:19 PM   #78
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Have any dealers said that the 400 HP STi is an Impreza STi?

I could see the H6T (or TT) pumping out 400 HP in a Legacy STi.

And given the way Subaru is pimping their 2.5T in every model line, it's only a matter of time before the USDM WRX is 2.5T. Whether it's this year or next...the 2.0's days are numbered in the US.
The three gentlemen i was conversing with were refering to the "400 HP/ 390ft-lb. STi" as an impreza WRX STi...

...and to all the people bashing about this being another "i heard it from a dealer story", i posted clearly in the topic that it was a rumor that i came across, you didn't have to read the thread, i also stated in my first post that what they were saying most likely was B.S., don't think that for one second i took their B.s. to heart, i never take any salesman seriously...i am one myself.
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Old 02-09-2005, 11:32 PM   #79
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Remember Worm.....our inside source saying the STi would have a 2.0 and "you can take that to the bank".
Worm wasn't an inside source. He was just wrong.

And the people who really knew couldn't say anything (because FHI was trying to catch Mitsu with their pants down).
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Old 03-04-2005, 06:54 PM   #80
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So I just got back from the dealership (got an up-pipe for free! gotta love subarubucks!) - and the sales guy was claiming that the 06 WRX was going to get the 2.5L, but HP would only be 3-4 higher than the current 2.0 - anyone else heard anything resembling "official" on this? I would think Subaru would keep the 2L in the WRX, but they went to a 2.5t in the Forester... guy was also claiming the block was the same in all of the 2.5l, which I wasn't sure of - I thought the XT (Forester and Legacy) had an open deck, and the STi was semi-closed - but I could be thinking about the 2l blocks (EJ205 vs EJ207?)

It would be nice if they ditched the precat in the up-pipe and upgraded to 4-pots and 7" wheels rather than swapping engines... keeps the lines distinct, and gives the WRX a nice bump in all-around performance... but then, personally, I don't care since I'll probably be driving my car for a long, long time (or until some drunk NM driver takes it out... probably a better shot of the latter happening around here, I suppose)
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Old 03-04-2005, 07:21 PM   #81
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that whould be sweet if the wrx came with 270 but dont see it happenig anytime soon it whould make sense if they got rid of the 2ltr and made just the 2.5 250 hp whould be fine with me.
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Old 03-04-2005, 09:37 PM   #82
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Same 250 as way underrated Legacy engine is would be fine..


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that whould be sweet if the wrx came with 270 but dont see it happenig anytime soon it whould make sense if they got rid of the 2ltr and made just the 2.5 250 hp whould be fine with me.
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Old 03-04-2005, 09:45 PM   #83
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all i can really say is i wouldnt be amazed if they put the 2.5 in the WRX... i "expect" them to do that y idk just got the feeling.. y use only 1 2.0L engine when you can save money using a 2.5 across the line? .. plus the 2.5 should reduce some turbo lag always a plus
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Old 03-04-2005, 10:00 PM   #84
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I saw a subaru list of emmisions powertrain config.'s for 06, and there was no 2.0 anywhere! there was impreza 2.5t, and impreza sti 2.5t. a coworker thought it was a typo but I thought of this thread, sounds like it may be true.
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Old 03-04-2005, 10:59 PM   #85
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the 2.5t also makes sense if they are going to try to reclaim sales they are loosing to more recent arrivals like the SRT-4 or one of the other fast sub-compacts which have come out (ion redline, the cobalt on steroids, etc.) - more power, or more "useable" power translates into faster straight line speed, which translates into more sales to the fatf crowd...

I'd still rather see them bring more of what other countries get (4-pot brakes, 17x7 wheels, avcs heads, etc.) to the 2L version than just pop a bigger engine in the WRX.
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Old 03-05-2005, 12:09 AM   #86
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I don't think a 2.5T WRX would be distinct enough from the STi, and I don't see a power bump coming in the STi either.

50 more hp in the WRX is pretty big jump....

We'll see though.

-faast
There are three trim levels of Evos that all have the same HP. Give the WRX a 5-speed, 30 less HP, no HID's and de-tuned brakes/suspension and voila, you have your car.
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Old 03-05-2005, 02:13 AM   #87
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I would not be surprised if the WRX comes out with a 2.5 L and a 5MT with gearing better suited to drag racing, while the STi stuck with the 6MT and all the handleing goodies.

FHI I believe was frankly shocked at how many 2.5 blocks they sold when they came out USDM, lots of them found their way overseas as well.

I see all the ear marks of a replay of the 1960-1970 hp wars amoung US manufactures. I would be quite surprised if FHI did not continue to try to maintain their comparative standing with the EVO and the SRT 4 in the street performance market.

Here's hoping they come out with a beefed up 5mt ( the gearing on the 6spd is too short for drag racing).

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Old 03-05-2005, 09:10 AM   #88
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Unfortunately, Mitsu's future is uncertain in the USDM market and the SRT-4 replacement looks to be god-awful.
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Old 03-05-2005, 10:05 AM   #89
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So I just got back from the dealership (got an up-pipe for free! gotta love subarubucks!) - and the sales guy was claiming that the 06 WRX was going to get the 2.5L, but HP would only be 3-4 higher than the current 2.0 - anyone else heard anything resembling "official" on this? I would think Subaru would keep the 2L in the WRX, but they went to a 2.5t in the Forester... guy was also claiming the block was the same in all of the 2.5l, which I wasn't sure of - I thought the XT (Forester and Legacy) had an open deck, and the STi was semi-closed - but I could be thinking about the 2l blocks (EJ205 vs EJ207?)
So maybe the WRX will get the 2.5t from the Forester that supposedly makes 230 hp but is likely more? The problem is I don't see adding 3 hp as a big sales bonus. The new engine will likely make the car much more responsive, especially at low rpm, but most customers will just say "oh, they only added 3 hp" and keep going.

And no the 2.5t blocks are not all the same.
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Old 03-05-2005, 10:26 AM   #90
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And no the 2.5t blocks are not all the same.
Could you elucidate the differences
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Old 03-05-2005, 10:27 AM   #91
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The EJ257s are all the same. All three EJ257 based cars also have the same compression ratio.

I think the WRX will be 250hp/250tq same as the Legacy. I'm hoping the gearing will be the same as the Legacy, with the 4.11 FD instead of the 3.9 which imho is the weakest thing about the WRX. If it gets the 2.5L it will have AVCS. If they keep the price the same it will make the car much more attractive imho. The STI has enough other crap on it that they don't really compete with eachother. For years now, the JDM WRX has been 250hp while the STI was 280hp, they still sold both cars...
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Old 03-05-2005, 12:22 PM   #92
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also maybe the 5mt from the other cars (non pull type clutch) will make it in the impreza? have these trannys been stronger?
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Old 03-05-2005, 01:06 PM   #93
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Latest issue of Motor Trend has an article on the Evo IX. They say the IX will be the last EVO iteration to come out before the ALL NEW EVO X comes out in 2007. You can bet the next gen WRX/STi will be out around then. Makes perfect sense.
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Old 03-05-2005, 01:32 PM   #94
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In Canada, there is currently roughly a $10-12K difference in the MSRPs between the WRX and the STi. For the mechanicals and other bits you get for the extra $$, IMO it's well worth it.

I wasn't aware that the older generation JDM WRX's and STi's had the same hp ratings...but how far apart were they in price?

My point is, if the '06 WRX comes with a 2.5T, the price gap to the STi will have to close one way or the other. Sure, the STi will still have the 6MT, the DCCD awd system, 17" bbs wheels, some body parts, and the bigger brakes, but for the average consumer looking at a WRX 2.5T, are those differences enough to justify the extra $10-12K (CAD)?

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The average consumer dosent buy the STi, the average sport consumer buys the WRX, the performance buyer buys the STi and he/she knows that there buying it for the 6spd, the forged aluminum control arms, ect. We don't even know how much subaru is making off the STi, maybe they don't want to sell as many, and rather sell WRXs where they can earn a little more money, they would still sell the buyer a Subaru. Its not like the Sti is not going to sell, theres enougt more performance origneted buyers to easiley sell the STi in decent numbers.
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Old 03-06-2005, 12:57 AM   #95
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"I don't care since I'll probably be driving my car for a long, long time (or until some drunk NM driver takes it out... probably a better shot of the latter happening around here, I suppose)"
I am in the same boat being in NM.
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Old 03-06-2005, 11:59 AM   #96
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As we've discussed before in here, there is plenty of equipment on the usdm sti that makes it worth the higher price, other than .5 liters more of displacement compared to a usdm wrx. in other parts of the world the two have the same displacement. .
Having owned both a wrx and and STI, STI is worth the cash because of....

The engine.
The 6 speed.
The brakes.
The suspension.
The awd system.

in that order.
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Old 03-06-2005, 04:00 PM   #97
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Add forged rims to that...
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Old 03-06-2005, 04:45 PM   #98
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Subaru engineer I work with says 2.5L in WRX is confirmed and a sure thing. Subaru exec at the Detroit Auto Show told me 2.5L for WRX is definitely how it will be. Hope it's actually true.
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Old 03-06-2005, 05:42 PM   #99
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Subaru engineer I work with says 2.5L in WRX is confirmed and a sure thing. Subaru exec at the Detroit Auto Show told me 2.5L for WRX is definitely how it will be. Hope it's actually true.
sounds more and more right as time goes on... so maybe the doofs at the dealer were possibly, remotely, somewhat correct about something for once...
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With solbergs comments on the increased preformance of the sti... this origional post is somewhat more belivable... 400hp though, I am not so sure.
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