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Old 03-14-2005, 12:32 AM   #1
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Default Anyone try X-52 oil treatment? Claims better 20% MPG and cleaner emissions...

The stuff is called X-52. I'm not sure how available it is on the market right now. It's a patented formula made from bees wax. You add one quart for every 4 quarts of oil in your engine. It's supposed to increase MPG A LOT as well as provide cleaner exhaust. How does this work? I haven't a clue, but I'm guessing it has to do with the piston rings.

Several cities are already using it on public transport vehicles. Trucking companies are jumping all over it because they can gain 10-20% fuel efficiency.

I personally know one of the guys who owns a large portion of the company. My brother is working as a sales rep for them in our area. My brother put some into his 1998 Mercedes Diesel. He calculated an increase of MPG from 30 miles to 36 miles in city+highway driving. He also calculated an increase from 34 mpg to 42mpg on the highway. IMO, that's a HUGE increase in MPG! Especially considering it's just an oil additive.

I'm going to try some in my Suby next oil change. Hopefully I will get the same results my brother did in his Mercedes. 6 mpg increase sure makes one hell of a difference when gas is so expensive.

What do you guys think? How could this possibly work? Should I do it to my boxer engine?

If you can find this for sale, I suggest trying it for an oil change.

No, this isn't SPAM, just getting the word out for something to consider. I'm still skeptical of it. Seems like something has to be wrong with a 6mpg increase. I've got 3 quarts of it, so I might give it a try for 3 oil changes and see what I get!

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Old 03-14-2005, 12:37 AM   #2
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wow, that seems almost too good to be true.. but ive never been anti earlyadoption as long as it works
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Old 03-14-2005, 12:41 AM   #3
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[quote=Skell]wow, that seems almost too good to be true..[quote]

that's what I'm saying! There's got to be a down side to it.

My brother also noted better acceleration. Maybe this is due to the fact that 80% of an engine's energy loss to friction is caused by the pistons. I guess this oil greatly reduces that friction, thus in theory, better acceleration and MPG.

Anyone have any idea on how this effects emissions? Does it lower emissions by lowering the amount of fuel burned>?

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Old 03-14-2005, 12:46 AM   #4
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subaru should start secretly adding this to all their cars.

Honda will be scratching their heads as to why an AWD subaru is getting better MPG than their 2wd cars!

It would make the environmentalists happy too!

I would be happy if this got my car past the 31mpg highway mark! That would be sweet.

I also wonder if this might add life to an engine by reducing friction? Who knows. I guess I'll be the test dummie on this one for the boxer engine.
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Old 03-14-2005, 09:05 AM   #5
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You've definitely got my interest, but that just sounds like way to much of an increase in mpg.
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Old 03-14-2005, 10:30 AM   #6
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Whats up with you and these crazy idea righty tighty? First it was the Drive Like a Drunk method and now this? If it sounds too good to be true, it is This sounds like a Slick 50 or STP oil additive type of deal to me, I would avoid it until someone major endorses it, and by major I mean a major automotive manufacturer.
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Old 03-14-2005, 10:30 AM   #7
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There's no way this is possible. All such supposed fuel-economy boosters are scams. If they worked, don't you think they would be standard OEM equipment? Fuel economy is a major selling point.
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Old 03-14-2005, 10:58 AM   #8
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Hmm...perhaps a good read of UnaBomber's outstanding Oil FAQ would answer a number of your questions. In particular, read the section on "Oil Additives". There are several links to articles about these additives from various sources.

All of the claims sound exactly like those of Slick50 and the various other major additives. Might be good to read up on these types of additives before you start pouring it in your crankcase.

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Old 03-14-2005, 12:00 PM   #9
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Whats up with you and these crazy idea righty tighty? First it was the Drive Like a Drunk method and now this? If it sounds too good to be true, it is This sounds like a Slick 50 or STP oil additive type of deal to me, I would avoid it until someone major endorses it, and by major I mean a major automotive manufacturer.
Hey, you don't think the DLD method works? Sure it isn't practical, but still works.

I've seen first hand how well the X-52 works. The thing is though, it was done on a mercedes diesel, so we might see different results for our boxer engines.
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Old 03-14-2005, 01:25 PM   #10
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Sounds like total BS to me. No way I'd pour that in my baby. Stay away.
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Old 03-14-2005, 02:54 PM   #11
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The placebo effect is strong young Jedi. Nobody NOBODY ever wants to spend $50 on snake oil.....uh I mean bees wax....and not see results, so their mind sees the results anyway. We've got this thing being marketed up here called the condensator (for cars), supposed to do everything but fix the kitchen sink. What a load. Of course there's always some conspiracy theory on why the auto companies don't use their product...but as someone already stated if it was so good auto companies would jump all over it. The car and truck market is hypercompetitive, with several of the big players losing money or barely keeping their heads above water....if they could find a simple oil additive or gadget to increase gas mileage by 20% they would buy the exclusive rights and use them in their line of cars. It's really that simple. Until someone shows me a truly scientific study under controlled conditions that proves these ridiculous claims, it's all pure BS because again it would behoove the producer of said product to have the test done....but it never seems to happen....I wonder why?
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Old 03-14-2005, 03:10 PM   #12
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The placebo effect is strong young Jedi. Nobody NOBODY ever wants to spend $50 on snake oil.....uh I mean bees wax....and not see results, so their mind sees the results anyway. We've got this thing being marketed up here called the condensator (for cars), supposed to do everything but fix the kitchen sink. What a load. Of course there's always some conspiracy theory on why the auto companies don't use their product...but as someone already stated if it was so good auto companies would jump all over it. The car and truck market is hypercompetitive, with several of the big players losing money or barely keeping their heads above water....if they could find a simple oil additive or gadget to increase gas mileage by 20% they would buy the exclusive rights and use them in their line of cars. It's really that simple. Until someone shows me a truly scientific study under controlled conditions that proves these ridiculous claims, it's all pure BS because again it would behoove the producer of said product to have the test done....but it never seems to happen....I wonder why?
Check out this page from their web site. They already have the military and several cities using it.
Who uses x-52

Here's some testing results too:

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I think this product hasn't been around long enough to tell what harm it may cause in long term use. They are still in the trial period of the product. My brother is trying to sell these to trucking companies, but is having a hard time due to unkown issues of long term use. Why save 20% mpg when you whole engine will fail in 30,000 miles? They don't want to take that chance.

BTW, this stuff isn't snake oil. My brother tested it for a month on his diesel before agreeing to be a sales rep. He's seen an obvious increase in mileage and power.
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Old 03-14-2005, 04:56 PM   #13
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I tell you what - try it out in your car and get back to us on how it does.
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Old 03-14-2005, 05:32 PM   #14
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You mix this in with your oil, 1 part to 4? That just seems like a really bad idea.

You might want to do a Google search and see if you can find any similar products from the mid 70s. I bet you will.
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Old 03-14-2005, 05:48 PM   #15
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Anyone else find it interesting that the company's new facility in El Paso devotes 5x as much floor space to offices, gym, steam room, Jacuzzi, etc, than to the actual warehouse? I'm sure it couldn't be because the people doing the selling find themselves much more important than the actual product...
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Old 03-14-2005, 06:22 PM   #16
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Lets add that the prez of the company is a boxing promoter and that only one of the directors has had anything to do with the oil biz. Looks to me like buy our wax sticks to pay for our spa. I'd like to see all the test results for myself.

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Old 03-14-2005, 06:29 PM   #17
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Maybe it would act like the lead in leaded gasolines! Coat everything in a layer of wax and let it slide oh so smoothly against itself. Just ignore the fact that bees wax is probably not at a happy place at the 1000 degrees of the piston rings/cylinder walls.
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Old 03-14-2005, 07:29 PM   #18
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You mix this in with your oil, 1 part to 4? That just seems like a really bad idea.

You might want to do a Google search and see if you can find any similar products from the mid 70s. I bet you will.
I just realized that they are selling sticks of it on the website, not containers of fluid.

The one's I have are regular oil quarts. They pre diluted it into some oil. I guess they realized that people don't use the same oil so they came out with the sticks.

I'm changing my oil next week, so I'll give you guys a report on how this stuff does on boxer engines. Hopefully there are not any weird side effects like my windshield wipers not working or something like that.
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Old 03-14-2005, 07:29 PM   #19
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Dumping clumps of "stuff" into one's crankcase? Someone is actually gonna do this to the car they love?

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Old 03-14-2005, 08:27 PM   #20
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I work for the USPS in the vehicles engineering group. The USPS has the largest vehicle fleet in the world. We get a lot of unsolicited proposals from slick sales people offering similar products with claims of improved MPG and imitations. We have a vehicle at a local accredited EPA lab that we offer for testing, the test is FTP-75 the same test the OEM’s perform to get their MPG numbers, the cost to the to the supplier is approximately $6000.00. Ninety nine percent of the time we never hear from them again. The testing that has been done has never shown any positive results. We like to keep an open mind but to date we have never seen any fuel or oil additive that lived up to its claims.
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Old 03-14-2005, 09:39 PM   #21
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Those guys seems pretty shady, esp. the boxer promoter!

I wonder why they don't show more solid tests on the web site?

Seems very fishy.

On the other hand though, I've seen this stuff work very well on ONE diesel engine. I'll see what it can do to my boxer. I should expect to achieve 32-34 mpg highway.
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Old 03-14-2005, 09:48 PM   #22
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You absolutely have to be kidding. The Prez was a boxing promoter and we all know how honest the boxing racket is. The first Director is a trial lawyer - what does that tell you?

Did anyone read how this stuff is supposed to work? This stuff "causes engine oil to increase in viscosity as engine speed increases. As the viscosity of oil increase (sic), its improved lubrication has been shown to increase greater horsepower..."

INCREASED viscosity increases horsepower? Well then, drain out all that thin oily stuff and use a grease gun to fill the crankcase with a good heavy-duty wheel bearing grease. That should give me 1000 whp!

I can't believe anyone falls for this nonsense. Stick with a good name-brand synthetic and your engine will reward with many happy miles!
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Old 03-14-2005, 10:23 PM   #23
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look at the sites faq's they never answer any of the questions. does not all 5w30 oils increase viscosity as temp goes up and friction is not the greatest heat source in the engine. what do you think all that fuel and compressed air is doing in there? can hear the the sob stories now. those unfair people at soa won't give me a new engine just because i put some bee poop in it. but honestly this stuff will work if put one of my magnet dpnuts around your fuel line. they are only $89.00 plus s&h.
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Old 03-14-2005, 10:45 PM   #24
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This effect uses the minute static electrical charge generated by the friction to increase the viscosity of a lubricant. Viscosity is the lubricating capability of a lubricant. When an engine runs at high RPM or at high temperatures, normal lubricants tend to break down.
Wow, its amazing how people will fall for pseudo-scientific crap because they just don't know any better. Electrical charge generated inside an engine? Erm, someone tell me how any kind of static is going to form between two grounded conductive surfaces? Viscosity is the lubricating capability of a lubricant. Really? Maybe I should pour maple syroup into my engine.
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post a dyno result of it too.
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