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Old 04-08-2005, 02:04 PM   #76
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MS Office - should do the trik - just select "export" and wait a while (or long while if your laptop is 300 Mhz like mine)
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Old 04-08-2005, 02:18 PM   #77
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Open file, get filehandle, loop over log data, write it to the frickin file with commas between values, close the filehandle! Software engineering rocket science apparently.
I don't see any error checking in that

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Old 04-08-2005, 04:48 PM   #78
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try and determine how the hydra is "finding" excel and rename the corresponding openoffice program the what its looking for and where. not sure what other checks it might do against the program but it would be interesting to know if it can be done. hopefully Ill have my car back on the road soon so I can help test. gl2u jblaine.
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Old 04-08-2005, 07:11 PM   #79
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Yeah, I opened the hydra binary in an editor and poked around looking for excel references. I didn't really find anything that looked promising for changing.

I have a coworker who is downloading the Office 2003 "STD" .iso image from Microsoft's Developer Network, which we have a subscription to. I will use Excel from that until this is fixed.
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Old 04-08-2005, 09:14 PM   #80
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Well, that saga is over.

I'm so demanding wanting to save my log files without additional commercial software!
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Old 04-10-2005, 02:08 AM   #81
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Phil, it won't even export. It errors out almost instantaneously.

So, unless I am misunderstanding what has been said...

- since "Save" doesn't work, and it apparently "Exports" by loading Excel itself instead of exporting to a .CSV file or something...
- and I don't own Excel...
- and I don't see that there is any way to configure it to load OpenOffice's spreadsheet program...

I have to buy Excel now!?
You have to export to Excel inorder to save. It's a bummer. 2.14 v7 is the most bug ridden of the versions. I'm going back to v5. I'll wait for some of the bugs to get out before I use the newer v7 "features".

Edit Change: One bug in v7, the "reversing" of arrow keys can be changed in the Preferences I'm informed by Phil.

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Old 04-10-2005, 02:36 AM   #82
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I apologize for your misfortune but I have to find the humor in this as I now know on top of having to write tuning guides, I now have to reprogram even the triggers that are already supposed to be configured to a specific application, and on top all that I'll probably even have to write a basic owners/operations manual which should be provided by the manufacturer.
"I'll probably even have to write a basic owners/operations manual which should be provided by the manufacturer."

I'm surprised that Hydra did not supply a manual to you Phil. If anyone would need it, it would be you. My hope is that this thread will serve as a de facto manual for the Element Hydra.

Edited to preserve the spirit of the message and thread.

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Old 04-10-2005, 09:08 AM   #83
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This thread was supposed to be helpful but it has turned sour. I will no longer post on this thread.

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Old 04-10-2005, 01:50 PM   #84
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This thread was supposed to be helpful but it has turned sour. I will no longer post on this thread.

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unfortunate it did
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Old 04-10-2005, 05:31 PM   #85
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Er.... what does your knock threshold map look like?

Anything like this?

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Old 04-10-2005, 05:41 PM   #86
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This thread was supposed to be helpful but it has turned sour. I will no longer post on this thread.

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Great... *sigh*
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Old 04-10-2005, 06:15 PM   #87
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So this is what it comes to now? We have a small company and a small-volume product, therefore we're obligated to only say positive things or everyone cries and starts "rubbing you out" or cold-sholdering you?

Fantastic.
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Old 04-10-2005, 06:17 PM   #88
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Mine knock curve looks like that.

If 'sour' is 'problems' that's too bad since this thread is to fix problems. The Hydra has a few and so does the Nemesis software. If you want to stop people from venting their frustrations--that won't happen. God invented light and two seconds later some farmer was complaining about it.

Phil you have done a great job tuning but now that you have a few hundred users and some of them have had serious problem, some have had ones in the more 'annoying' category-- what are you going to do? Flee everytime the volume gets turned up?

I'll stop complaining about XXXXX, but it's pretty damn hard. This person was, has been, and continues to be a complete nuisance to Hydra owners. IMHO people need to know XXXXX is not to be trusted. If you have problems with the Hydra take them to Phil or these forums.

If there are issues beyond your control Phil, I'm willing to see that and I think most of us are. We knew we were buying a "brand new" system. We can accept a few bugs in the software. We work around some quirkiness. We can rewire harnesses for boost control to make them work with the idea that the design will be changed. As a rule this group is a pretty self-sufficient bunch.

What we can't deal with is dissembling .....**self-censored**. It's not fair to us. Most of the units work great, many users don't ever tune with the software, so they don't have issue with it. Call Phil if you have a problem with your Hydra. PM me I'll do what I can, or point you to who can.

Please keep posting to this thread Phil--you are the sole resource for accurate Hydra info. You, your tuning guides, and the consolidation of info in this thread, are the total written universe of Hydra tuning for the Subaru. While I may seem sour and other's may seem sour, maybe some of the sourness serves a purpose that has nothing to do with Phil/Element Tuning. Maybe the 'sourness' has more to do with the writer's frustration.... *self-censored*. Certainly my writing does.

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Old 04-10-2005, 07:11 PM   #89
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Mine knock curve looks like that.
Well, that'd be my problem then. That was extracted from a 550cc map sent from Phil. The one in the 420cc map I got from Element looks nothing like that.

No wonder I can't make any sense of the ridiculous timing retard I am seeing all through vacuum ranges at sub-4000RPM and 10 or so events in low boost.

+2 more days wasted screwing around trying to fix a misconfigured setup.
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Complain and discuss your problems at will. I have never discouraged anyone from doing so. Anyways the squeaky wheel always gets the grease and jblaine is the poster child for that one. Somehow he managed to get a data dump from the logger instead of exporting to Excel with two days of complaining yet I’ve been requesting that for a year.

Where I drew the line was when the OWNER of Hydra EMS was called a “blatant liar.” I cannot condone this nor continue to post here because of it.

Start a new thread if you want or need my help and of course you can email or call.

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Complain and discuss your problems at will. I have never discouraged anyone from doing so. Anyways the squeaky wheel always gets the grease and jblaine is the poster child for that one. Somehow he managed to get a data dump from the logger instead of exporting to Excel with two days of complaining yet I’ve been requesting that for a year.
Just a matter of being a vocal customer pointing out a lack of functionality with the paid product.

Contrasted with "I would like it if...", as a customer/distributor already owning Excel and getting by fine -- the customer ready to put his foot down and return the product if this failed functionality and flawed implementation is not addressed, wins.

EDIT: Added a few left out words

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Old 04-11-2005, 01:26 PM   #92
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Well, that'd be my problem then. That was extracted from a 550cc map sent from Phil. The one in the 420cc map I got from Element looks nothing like that.

No wonder I can't make any sense of the ridiculous timing retard I am seeing all through vacuum ranges at sub-4000RPM and 10 or so events in low boost.

+2 more days wasted screwing around trying to fix a misconfigured setup.

Welcome to the world of standalone engine management.
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No comment on that.

Anyway, here's a tip -- don't use your OEM ECU's DeltaDash logs (minus 1 degree) to try to get a non-knocking map. My low for a 16psi-peak run from 2000-6800 with the OEM ECU was 14 degrees. I am having to run 10-11 at greater than 11psi or so through my midrange. Now, whether the timing is that low because of actual knock or a poor Knock Threshold curve for my car, I don't know. I will certainly find out in time, as I am only rough tuning right now and using the Element Tuning Knock Threshold map.
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Old 04-12-2005, 10:54 AM   #94
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jblaine:

I found anpther non-Nasioc Online Resource. I sent them an email for more info.

http://www.hydratuning.com
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Welcome to the world of standalone engine management.
This is true, but not with respect to jblaine. At times I miss the coziness of EM tied to the stock ECU, but then I go to tune something and I'm so glad I have the Element Hydra.
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Old 04-12-2005, 09:16 PM   #96
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Let's chip in and get jblaine a wheel chair for his poster child pic. We'll mod it with lots of stickers and an extra loud BOV.
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Er.... what does your knock threshold map look like?

Anything like this?

In most engines normal engine noise generally rises with RPM so your knock threshold should also probably increase rather than decrease with RPM, mine sure does, I'd be happy to email you one of my maps so you can have a look if you like.

Regardless of that it would be best to get the car onto a dyno with an operator who has a set of 'ears' and can tell you if your car is detonating, the same operator should really also be able to fully tune your Hydra for you (assuming he has experience with similar products, Motec, Link, Autronic, AEM, etc) in fairly quick time.

Another option would be to fit a Knocklink or similar product to warn of detonation. I wouldn't recommend trying to tune a turbocharged car without either ears or a Knocklink and a wideband O2 sensor.

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Thanks Steve. I'd like to see your KT map. Can you email it to jblaine AT kickflop DOT net?

I have a WBO2 setup and agree with you completely regarding dyno tuning and/or ears and/or knocklink. It's on the list
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lowturboboost: Added, thanks.
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Thanks Steve. I'd like to see your KT map. Can you email it to jblaine AT kickflop DOT net?

I have a WBO2 setup and agree with you completely regarding dyno tuning and/or ears and/or knocklink. It's on the list

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