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Old 03-15-2005, 10:55 PM   #1
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Default High altitude N/A cars....(revisit of smack talk.)

(?????????) Well..I don't know where the old thread went...but here's what I had posted as it's last response. We played nicer as things went onward .

I'm sorry I didn't lay out more of the the car's mods at first. It's just the longblock that's stock with the stock flywheel. Everything else that can be bolted into the motor in the car, has been done.

--Custom tri-y headers (nobody makes these.)
--Custom 2.5in. single catted section (nobody makes one of these either.)
--3 in. crush bent exhaust w/ 3 in. magnaflow turbo muffler and rolled tip.
--Torque Chip 1 (speed sensor mod, basically.)
--"Ram air" intake. (Custom deal, again. It's almost funny to say it now...has that funny ring like "vtec" in the ricer world.)
--K&N drop in filter
--lightweight crank pulley
--vented emissions lines
--bypassed TB coolant lines
--single point grounding mod
--kumho tires
--stainless brake lines
--short shifter
--sti mounts
--F/R strut bars
--new stiffened suspension. >---much better launches now.

It's not as stock as you may have thought. I ran a few passes on my cheap web cam taped to my steering wheel. It's still trying to record sound through the blown microphone, so there's this horrible screeching sound that the car really doesn't make. In short, 0-80 came in a skosh less than 15 flat with a decent launch. It used to come in 17 flat...my old 1/4 mile time. So, I think it'll run 15's up here which is my corrected 14's. The 13's n/a argument was a stretch due to an unknown cheat factor for the ram air intake. Even that would have to be at sea level. For it's level of mods, the car is quick. "Fast" is another level. Modded WRX's and EVO's do certainly have a "humbling" factor . Despite the money that has been sunk into n/a scoobs in the past, some were with mismatched off-the shelf parts. I did so much "custom" work, just to make everything match better in the end. The point I wished to make with the "better bolt ons", was comparing my intake to other "bolt-ons" and the exhaust to other "bolt-ons". You get a short, pressurized, direct path for the cold air from mine. Others don't. My exhaust design doesn't expand, shrink, expand, and then shrink again. It gets progressively larger and has a shorter, smoother flowpath. I reused the stock turndowns because of the primary diameter being close to 1 3/4 inches from the factory. That was big enough, but the secondary pipes were way too small. Enlarging the stock wishbone shape and using a real 2.5 inch dia. cat section was just another new experiment. Again, better matching of parts, even if they had to be custom made.





(Sorry mods, if the other thread got out of hand. Is this any better? And, no, I just don't give up easily. It's easier to make my point when not on codiene from a root canal . Still love me, Jamie? I'll always be an ornery little cuss, but at least I know where to shove it .)
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Old 03-15-2005, 11:07 PM   #2
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i was going to ask you what the ram air thing was but i couldnt find the thread...can you show me where i can buy/make one of these.

and btw powerlab your car is awesome. and it sounds so mean!
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Old 03-15-2005, 11:44 PM   #3
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Yeah. I treid to load some of your sound clips, but nada. Que habla linky?
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Old 03-15-2005, 11:51 PM   #4
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--"Ram air" intake. (It's almost funny to say it now...has that funny ring like "vtec" in the ricer world.)
details...i wanna know!
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Old 03-16-2005, 12:23 AM   #5
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It won't work on your MAF car, bluntly. The sensor farther down the intake would make the idea a little difficult to adapt to your car. Basically, I spent about 20 bucks at home depot and reused the stock air box. What I had called true "ram air" was that the scooped air has a complete seal with the airbox, not allowing any of it to escape. The opening was then cut in the rear of that shield to match the hole in the airbox. The excessive use of foam was to make the seal with the custom shield and hacked stock airbox. We discussed earlier that the actual ram effect was negligible, and the gains were likely from the colder, direct path to the TB. Speed of the "rammed air" was actually about 12mph (kinda like that wrecked "turbo spool" kid ). Hence, I probably made a new nasioc punchline...but the thing is still t3h fastar, IMO .
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Old 03-16-2005, 12:34 AM   #6
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Old 03-16-2005, 10:24 AM   #7
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get a 3 in dia. small plastc elbow bend from home depot, K&N conical filter, a few hose clamps, and bridge your emissions lines together. Put your MAF between the elbow and the filter and you're set. You'll have a shorty intake for your car for about 50 bucks or less . I don't have pics, but it's a lot easier to do that some people will tell you.
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Old 03-16-2005, 10:53 AM   #8
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bump for ingenuity.

oh, and give me those headers!
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Old 03-16-2005, 10:32 PM   #9
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Nope...you don't get my headers. Nobody does. You can get your own set made at a local shop. Any one of them worth their salt could remake this. I'm getting all of my mechanical stuff where I want it, specifically using the stock long block but replacing almost EVERYTHING else. Paying attention to little details in the research, especially here, there's cheap, easy stuff to do and try first. The emissions lines are vented. The coolant lines are bypassed. Soon, I'll try the parallel fuel rail mod just to see if it works and what it does to a tweaked n/a car. If it makes a difference, then, good! I could ask all day long here if it would or wouldn't work, and I still wouldn't know until I tried it....just like the intake and the headers. It's everything working together on the car that makes it fast. No single mod is going to make miracles. A bunch of them working well together makes miracles. It's not just "the next big thing" that makes a bunch of power. Doing it ourselves will be the "next big thing"...

...off to make another sound clip. Even though the vid camera is kinda busted, I can still record killer sound through this laptop and nice mic . BRB...
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Old 03-16-2005, 10:59 PM   #10
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get a 3 in dia. small plastc elbow bend from home depot, K&N conical filter, a few hose clamps, and bridge your emissions lines together. Put your MAF between the elbow and the filter and you're set. You'll have a shorty intake for your car for about 50 bucks or less . I don't have pics, but it's a lot easier to do that some people will tell you.
well can my L's ECU put enough gas in there to make up for that mass amount of air? running lean is bad...
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Old 03-16-2005, 11:16 PM   #11
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the thread is cool, even useful...


as long as you dont go on about your 'kills' - it's a great thread


buuuuuuuuuuut
street racing type threads... are deleted.. .no questions asked ? ??

eeew..... root canals sucketh!
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I could ask all day long here if it would or wouldn't work, and I still wouldn't know until I tried it....just like the intake and the headers. It's not just "the next big thing" that makes a bunch of power. Doing it ourselves will be the "next big thing"...
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this one time i pulled up to a stoplight and this guy with a mountain bike pulled up next to me. so i revved my engine right. but its an automatic so i had to put it in park and then rev it. he had one of those beast mountain bikes with like 40 gears. so the light turns green and he totally smokes me!!!

eh i made the whole thing up. it was kinda funny though right?
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Old 03-17-2005, 12:40 AM   #14
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Cool. On a side note...what can you really "compare" to that you've genuinely stomped it's ass into goo? Kinda hard to prove here no matter how literate you think you are anyway ...

Anyway...I'm working on getting the sound files up...back shortly . To avoid the "street racing theme"...do I have to limit the speed I was actually going in the sound file? It accelerates quick, and that's all I did...it was kinda do it for the mic, but don't break the speed limit. You get an idea of what the first 3 gears really drive like. There's just no lag, fast revs, and lots of tweaked n/a intake and exhaust noises .

You'll like the idle one first. It's just startup with a few blips. Crack the gas open at all in every gear and it sounds angrier than this. It really is kinda pissed off....
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Old 03-17-2005, 12:56 AM   #15
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okay...start-up

http://www.gt-labs.net/video/startup.wma

lazy throttle stomps in 1st and 2nd....up to 20-50ish.

http://www.gt-labs.net/video/1st2ndlazy.wma

0-60, kinda lazy on the throttle.

http://www.gt-labs.net/video/0-60lazy.wma

doing more...back in a bit.

I'll go ahead and do the "least naughty" one from the interstate. It very much proves the top end speed. I stopped at 80 because the speed limit was 75. It could have gone to 100 in just another few seconds...but that wasn't the point.

This is the the top of third and just a very short distance into fourth before you're well in excess of the speed limit. I stopped at 80-ish by lifting off the gas. This is basically some good shifting, higher rpms, and a mashed gas pedal.

http://www.gt-labs.net/video/60-80quick.wma



WWUUSSSAAHHH....dial-up ninja edit...

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Old 03-17-2005, 01:16 AM   #16
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that sounds kinda nice man, i personally like the borelas sound, but that is nice car sounds good. Nice custom fab work. but the car always will sound better when it has a load, you should give us a clip of that! thanks
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Old 03-17-2005, 01:19 AM   #17
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that does sound neat but i wanna hear it floored
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Old 03-17-2005, 01:32 AM   #18
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more coming...just keep referring back up to that specific thread entry. It'll be nice to just keep them in one spot.
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Old 03-17-2005, 01:38 AM   #19
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eh the 2nd and 3rd files werent that good.
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Can I do the video of the 0-80 run through the gears and not get in trouble?
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Old 03-17-2005, 01:42 AM   #21
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P.S...don't expect surround sound quality from two dinky desktop speakers. There's very low notes here that you won't get from a pair of 1.5watt, 2 inch desktop speakers.
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Old 03-17-2005, 01:51 AM   #22
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hmm....The bass notes seem hollow and muffled. It's not sharp. I see what you mean.
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Old 03-17-2005, 10:27 AM   #23
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ok well, when i get my welder in the next week or two, i'm making a header like that. Did you have any problems attaching the cast metal to the mild steel?
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Old 03-17-2005, 11:31 AM   #24
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The welding shop did it for me. I just laid out the plan and they welded it up for me. Would you like me to find out what kind of rod/temps they used?
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That would be cool, i wonder if i should just make my own flange.
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