Rubbing issue on wagon w/ 225/45/17 tires.

cinemaster · 03-23-2005, 12:01 AM

Finally I made my mind to replace my stock rims and tires with 17" x 7.5 rims and 225/45/17 tires or 215/45/17. Many people recommend me going with 215 not 225 because of rubbing issue. But still I want 225. Are those really going to rub on my wagon?

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suby_dude · 03-23-2005, 01:35 AM

try reading this:

http://www.subydude.com/mods/detailsdoc.php?3055

i'd say go 215, its guaranteed to fit (this is w/ 17 x 7.5 48 offset wheels)

good luck

sd

YinUCSD · 03-23-2005, 01:41 AM

depends on offset of wheels. general rule:

rims with 48 offset or lower, use 215. a 48 offset with 225 tires... some rub some dont.

rims with 49 offset or higher, use 225.

cinemaster · 03-23-2005, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suby_dude

try reading this:

http://www.subydude.com/mods/detailsdoc.php?3055

i'd say go 215, its guaranteed to fit (this is w/ 17 x 7.5 48 offset wheels)

good luck

sd

According to that article, I should find a 'skinny' 225 tire if I wanna run 225... Which brand's 225 is thinner? Any idea?

cinemaster · 03-23-2005, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YinUCSD

depends on offset of wheels. general rule:

rims with 48 offset or lower, use 215. a 48 offset with 225 tires... some rub some dont.

rims with 49 offset or higher, use 225.

Oh my.... I'm planning to get some rotas. Every rotas are 48.

YinUCSD · 03-23-2005, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cinemaster

According to that article, I should find a 'skinny' 225 tire if I wanna run 225... Which brand's 225 is thinner? Any idea?

which brands are 'thinner' is where your search skills come in handy. seriously though, it would take you less time to search for something like 'wagon rubbing' or 'wagons rubbing', than to have people answer your question cuz thatll take days.

YinUCSD · 03-23-2005, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cinemaster

Oh my.... I'm planning to get some rotas. Every rotas are 48.

which is why subydude included that link to his tech article. its pretty good.

i would just get your fenders rolled if you dont want to be restricted to certain tires in 225. IMO its worth it because tires are the most important when it comes to handling, so you wouldnt want to be forced to use a personally sub-par tire.

ripvw · 03-23-2005, 05:21 AM

I once tried to cover all the issues related to this topic in this post:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...on#post6235079

basics are these:

what springs are you running - i.e. what drop?
if you are at stock height the issue is moot - 225/45x17 will fit on Rota wheels - in fact you could run that size tire with 17x8 Rotas with a good alignment like the one spec'd below

If you are at moderate drop, i.e. Prodrive, STI/SPT, Whiteline Control, Tein-H, Eibach Pro-kit, etc. then you can make it work by getting rear camber bolts and a good "sporting alignment" with max negative camber up front - about -1.5 and -1 in the rear. Combine with "narrow" or "standard" width tires, i.e. anything but Bridgestone S03 and Falken Azenis ST-215. Most 225/45x17 tires have a section width of 8.8 inches or less with a 17x7.5 wheel, while the two above are 9+. You can check section width info @ Tire Rack or the manufacturer's websites for a specific tire - remember to check and see what width wheel the spec is for - wider wheels increase section width, i.e. for every .5" change in width the section width will change .2"

If you're running Tein-S or some other "slammed" type of spring you will need to roll your fenders to make 225/45x17 fit with an ET48 17x7.5 wheel like the Rotas. If you get the fenders rolled, I would recommend 17x8 wheels running 235/40x17 tires - more grip, under-driven gearing advantage makes up for heavier wheels, tires are actually lighter

FWIW, I'm running Prodrive springs with 17x7.5 Rota Attacks and Falken FK451's - no rubbing with -2 F/-1.5 R camber settings. Others having similar success can be found in a link near the top of my post linked above

Since you're in SF along with SubyDude and you want Rotas, I would guess that he knows of some spring/wheel/tire combos that have worked with previous wagon owner clients of his - and he also sells Rota/tire combos...

mav1c · 03-23-2005, 07:29 AM

Just get your rear fenders rolled and you'll never have to worry about it. You could even run 235's.

cinemaster · 03-23-2005, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mav1c

Just get your rear fenders rolled and you'll never have to worry about it. You could even run 235's.

How to get fenders rolled?

mav1c · 03-23-2005, 07:56 AM

Most body shops can do it, and some "performance" shops. Just ask around. Make sure whoever does it has experience and knows what they're doing. There's a specific tool, and a heat gun should be used to soften the paint so it won't crack. I had mine done about 3 months after I bought the car for the same reasons. I didn't want to worry about what size tires I could run. I run 235/40-17 tires at the track and they don't rub. I've also run 225/45-17 Falken Azenis, which are known to run very wide, and they didn't rub. I could probably get away with 245/40-17, but I haven't tried yet. Expect to pay +/- $150. To me, it was money well spent.

dbrier · 03-23-2005, 08:05 AM

Just make sure you get someone good to do it. A guy here locally got his rolled and they chipped and cracked the paint. He had to have his rear fenders repainted.

Go for the 04 STi wheels, you won't regret it.

cinemaster · 03-23-2005, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbrier

Just make sure you get someone good to do it. A guy here locally got his rolled and they chipped and cracked the paint. He had to have his rear fenders repainted.

Go for the 04 STi wheels, you won't regret it.

I'll forget about getting rolled my fenders.. I don't want to spoil my car.
I wish to get the used STi wheels.. Should I go ebay now?

cinemaster · 03-23-2005, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ripvw

I once tried to cover all the issues related to this topic in this post:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...on#post6235079

basics are these:

what springs are you running - i.e. what drop?
if you are at stock height the issue is moot - 225/45x17 will fit on Rota wheels - in fact you could run that size tire with 17x8 Rotas with a good alignment like the one spec'd below

If you are at moderate drop, i.e. Prodrive, STI/SPT, Whiteline Control, Tein-H, Eibach Pro-kit, etc. then you can make it work by getting rear camber bolts and a good "sporting alignment" with max negative camber up front - about -1.5 and -1 in the rear. Combine with "narrow" or "standard" width tires, i.e. anything but Bridgestone S03 and Falken Azenis ST-215. Most 225/45x17 tires have a section width of 8.8 inches or less with a 17x7.5 wheel, while the two above are 9+. You can check section width info @ Tire Rack or the manufacturer's websites for a specific tire - remember to check and see what width wheel the spec is for - wider wheels increase section width, i.e. for every .5" change in width the section width will change .2"

If you're running Tein-S or some other "slammed" type of spring you will need to roll your fenders to make 225/45x17 fit with an ET48 17x7.5 wheel like the Rotas. If you get the fenders rolled, I would recommend 17x8 wheels running 235/40x17 tires - more grip, under-driven gearing advantage makes up for heavier wheels, tires are actually lighter

FWIW, I'm running Prodrive springs with 17x7.5 Rota Attacks and Falken FK451's - no rubbing with -2 F/-1.5 R camber settings. Others having similar success can be found in a link near the top of my post linked above

Since you're in SF along with SubyDude and you want Rotas, I would guess that he knows of some spring/wheel/tire combos that have worked with previous wagon owner clients of his - and he also sells Rota/tire combos...

I'm running stock springs.
Thank you for earnest posting. It really helped me.

mav1c · 03-23-2005, 09:25 AM

Quote:

I'll forget about getting rolled my fenders.. I don't want to spoil my car.

Mistake. Just get it done right. I've had mine for almost 3 years and I've never had a crack or any rust.

dbrier · 03-23-2005, 10:32 AM

I didn't want to imply that you shouldn't get it done, just make sure it gets done right.

YinUCSD · 03-23-2005, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cinemaster

I'll forget about getting rolled my fenders.. I don't want to spoil my car.
I wish to get the used STi wheels.. Should I go ebay now?

you should do it. seriously. and dbrier wasnt trying to scare you away from it. its easy, just need to watch out for a couple things. like with all mods.

if you want some sti wheels lemme know.

ripvw · 03-23-2005, 01:06 PM

possible fender rolling solution:

http://www.rollyourfender.com/

Bagelw · 03-23-2005, 02:17 PM

I regularly track my car with 225/45/17 Azenis on SSR Competitions with a 50mm offset(I believe). My suspension is stock right now and I've never had rubbing issues. Autocross may be a different story since it can be more herky jerky but I haven't autocrossed with the WRX yet. For everyday driving you should be fine with 225s.

YinUCSD · 03-23-2005, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ripvw

possible fender rolling solution:

http://www.rollyourfender.com/

very cool. for $50 its pretty good.

dbrier · 03-23-2005, 04:20 PM

The 50 offset is probably what saves you. It is so close on the wagons with 225s that 2mm can make the difference. You may not even rub with the Rotas, but it is hard to tell.

WimpWgn · 03-23-2005, 04:55 PM

I've had 225 45 17 on 7.5 et48 wheels and no rubbing. It's lowered too.

YinUCSD · 03-23-2005, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WimpWgn

I've had 225 45 17 on 7.5 et48 wheels and no rubbing. It's lowered too.

depends on tires. some are wider than others even though theyre all 225-45-17.

cinemaster · 03-23-2005, 09:21 PM

After reading all, I came to the conclusion that I should get BBS rims.

HomerJay · 03-23-2005, 09:35 PM

I'm running a set of '04 STI BBS rims on my wagon w/ 225/45/17. No problems rubbing. I'll be replacing the tires soon and I'm going to replace them w/ 225's.

03-23-2005, 12:01 AM	#1
cinemaster Scooby Newbie Member#: 76127 Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA Vehicle: 2005 WRX wgn 5spd Obsidian Black Pearl	Rubbing issue on wagon w/ 225/45/17 tires. Finally I made my mind to replace my stock rims and tires with 17" x 7.5 rims and 225/45/17 tires or 215/45/17. Many people recommend me going with 215 not 225 because of rubbing issue. But still I want 225. Are those really going to rub on my wagon? * Registered users of the site do not see these ads. Last edited by cinemaster; 03-23-2005 at 01:47 AM.

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ripvw NASIOC Supporter Member#: 27790 Join Date: Oct 2002 Chapter/Region: E. Canada	I once tried to cover all the issues related to this topic in this post: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...on#post6235079 basics are these: what springs are you running - i.e. what drop? if you are at stock height the issue is moot - 225/45x17 will fit on Rota wheels - in fact you could run that size tire with 17x8 Rotas with a good alignment like the one spec'd below If you are at moderate drop, i.e. Prodrive, STI/SPT, Whiteline Control, Tein-H, Eibach Pro-kit, etc. then you can make it work by getting rear camber bolts and a good "sporting alignment" with max negative camber up front - about -1.5 and -1 in the rear. Combine with "narrow" or "standard" width tires, i.e. anything but Bridgestone S03 and Falken Azenis ST-215. Most 225/45x17 tires have a section width of 8.8 inches or less with a 17x7.5 wheel, while the two above are 9+. You can check section width info @ Tire Rack or the manufacturer's websites for a specific tire - remember to check and see what width wheel the spec is for - wider wheels increase section width, i.e. for every .5" change in width the section width will change .2" If you're running Tein-S or some other "slammed" type of spring you will need to roll your fenders to make 225/45x17 fit with an ET48 17x7.5 wheel like the Rotas. If you get the fenders rolled, I would recommend 17x8 wheels running 235/40x17 tires - more grip, under-driven gearing advantage makes up for heavier wheels, tires are actually lighter FWIW, I'm running Prodrive springs with 17x7.5 Rota Attacks and Falken FK451's - no rubbing with -2 F/-1.5 R camber settings. Others having similar success can be found in a link near the top of my post linked above Since you're in SF along with SubyDude and you want Rotas, I would guess that he knows of some spring/wheel/tire combos that have worked with previous wagon owner clients of his - and he also sells Rota/tire combos...

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mav1c Hoodbridge! Moderator Member#: 560 Join Date: Nov 1999 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Woodbridge, VA Vehicle: 2006 STi, '11 A4 Crystal Gray, Silver	Just get your rear fenders rolled and you'll never have to worry about it. You could even run 235's.

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mav1c Hoodbridge! Moderator Member#: 560 Join Date: Nov 1999 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Woodbridge, VA Vehicle: 2006 STi, '11 A4 Crystal Gray, Silver	Most body shops can do it, and some "performance" shops. Just ask around. Make sure whoever does it has experience and knows what they're doing. There's a specific tool, and a heat gun should be used to soften the paint so it won't crack. I had mine done about 3 months after I bought the car for the same reasons. I didn't want to worry about what size tires I could run. I run 235/40-17 tires at the track and they don't rub. I've also run 225/45-17 Falken Azenis, which are known to run very wide, and they didn't rub. I could probably get away with 245/40-17, but I haven't tried yet. Expect to pay +/- $150. To me, it was money well spent.

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dbrier Scooby Guru Member#: 6598 Join Date: May 2001 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: West side of Indianapolis Vehicle: 2012 Mazdaspeed3 Crystal White Pearl	Just make sure you get someone good to do it. A guy here locally got his rolled and they chipped and cracked the paint. He had to have his rear fenders repainted. Go for the 04 STi wheels, you won't regret it.

03-23-2005, 10:32 AM	#16
dbrier Scooby Guru Member#: 6598 Join Date: May 2001 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: West side of Indianapolis Vehicle: 2012 Mazdaspeed3 Crystal White Pearl	I didn't want to imply that you shouldn't get it done, just make sure it gets done right.

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ripvw NASIOC Supporter Member#: 27790 Join Date: Oct 2002 Chapter/Region: E. Canada	possible fender rolling solution: http://www.rollyourfender.com/

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