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Old 03-23-2005, 07:59 PM   #1
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Default Thinking of getting 27"-32" LCD - HDTV

Thinking of getting 27"-32" LCD - Media Center in my room.

Budget is around $1200 shipped / taxed.
That would be the maximum....

Still debating going for 27" or 30" or 32"...
I guess 27" is still the best price for LCD.

I know.. Don't say that I can't get one around that price.

Many new Taiwanesse LCD manufs are really doing well w/ their LCDs w/ a really good price and good reviews.


I don't mind going on "unknown" brands out there as I know I won't have the budget for those Japanesse Manufs.

Thoughts please....
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Old 03-23-2005, 09:09 PM   #2
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Sorry man, I only gots da hook up on Japanese brands. I am putting up a 42" Pioneer Plamsa this weekend in the new crib. It is only ED, but I got a killer deal on it and it is MIJ. In two or three years you will be able to buy a 60"+ LCD for $3-4K, so I will move the Pioneer into the bedroom and buy one then.

I think the Taiwanese are just acting as brokers for mainland manufacturers. We import our own brand of in-ceiling/in-wall speakers. We buy them from a company in Taiwan, but they are made in China.

Sharp is driving the LCD bus, with the Sony/Samsung partnership in pursuit. Tubes are dead, and Plasma will be hurting in a few years now that there is some serious corporate muscle behind LCD. Didn't stop me from snagging a good deal on one, though!
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Old 03-23-2005, 11:24 PM   #3
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Sorry man, I only gots da hook up on Japanese brands. I am putting up a 42" Pioneer Plamsa this weekend in the new crib. It is only ED, but I got a killer deal on it and it is MIJ. In two or three years you will be able to buy a 60"+ LCD for $3-4K, so I will move the Pioneer into the bedroom and buy one then.

I think the Taiwanese are just acting as brokers for mainland manufacturers. We import our own brand of in-ceiling/in-wall speakers. We buy them from a company in Taiwan, but they are made in China.

Sharp is driving the LCD bus, with the Sony/Samsung partnership in pursuit. Tubes are dead, and Plasma will be hurting in a few years now that there is some serious corporate muscle behind LCD. Didn't stop me from snagging a good deal on one, though!

Go DLP and never worry again about picture fade...
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Old 03-24-2005, 12:41 AM   #4
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my bro just bought a 55" sony rear proj. dlp and it looks better than my fathers 50-some odd-inch pioneer elite plasma, alteast imho. ill be buying a 42"-44" dlp probably this weekend.

i did find a 37" panasonic plasma edtv for about 1700$ on one of those compare and shop websites but thats more than you wanted to spend....or you could also look at a refurbished lcd that will still come with a warranty.....you can save some big money that way.


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Old 03-24-2005, 09:37 AM   #5
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I have a 27" HDTV LCD by Viewsonic. Don't get a viewsonic. However there have been some decent Olivia 27" LCD deals fron Frys for $800/900 which I wish I had gotten.

Its great, but for whatever reason nearly every 27" I've seen is 1280x720 res. Its true 16:9 ratio but its not so great for computer use (which I have it setup on my MCE05 box) since apparently many programs won't run in lower than 1024x768 res. 30" are typically 1280x768 res (16:10 btw) and well they are better for computer use. As for 32" LCDs I don't get the point of paying $200/400 more for 2 inches.

BTW LCD technology is almost limitless lifespan (10+ years) so LCD will last for a VERY long time. But Plasma (EDTV/HDTV etc) is based on neon gasses and while it looks better they only last 2-4 years depending on use. Also Plasmas can be damaged if you lay it on it's side so it can be quite combersome to transport it (LCD has no such requirement).
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Old 03-24-2005, 10:03 AM   #6
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Hey salaki, next time you come to the House in Plano, we put a 37" panasonic Plasma in the bedroom. You are more than welcome to give it a look-see to see if you are interested in them. I love it, and X-box set on widescreen ROCKS!


My Plasma also has a 10 year, no questions aksed, warranty on the picture not-fading. New generation plasma Tv are supposed to be good for 50,000 hours now -vs- the 5000-10,000 they were good for a year or two ago.
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Old 03-24-2005, 10:22 AM   #7
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BTW LCD technology is almost limitless lifespan (10+ years) so LCD will last for a VERY long time. But Plasma (EDTV/HDTV etc) is based on neon gasses and while it looks better they only last 2-4 years depending on use. Also Plasmas can be damaged if you lay it on it's side so it can be quite combersome to transport it (LCD has no such requirement).
I was going to say this.

Why not get a regular flatscreen HDTV? you can go bigger for less.
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DLP <> mount on wall. We made our built-ins bookshelves in our family room because we wanted the TV centered. It is going above our fireplace which we had made low for this very purpose.

The only reason I am going plasma is cost. I'm getting a 42" ED Pioneer made in Japan panel for less than $2000. I have seen the panel (every day, actually) and I like it. I can't get even close for an equivalently sized LCD that is a real name brand. Moving into a new house costs $$$$ and we can't go any higher right now. In three years I'll pick up a ~65" LCD that will do 1080p native for less than $5k. I am fully aware of the advantages of LCD--my company sells them, and we prefer to sell them over plasmas. We don't want to deal with the "why has my picture faded" questions. I however, fully expect the picture to fade, and made a conscious decision to buy it anyway. My total expenditures will be less than if I pop for a 45" Sharp right now (I am a dealer in Sharp as well) and I will end up with two panels and delay a purchase.

Also, for us, 10000 hours is probably 20 years. We watch maybe 10 hours of tv a week. That is also about 50 cents per hour. We sell lots of $30,000 media rooms to people who can't do this kind of math

We figure it will make a decent bedroom TV or kids TV in a few years.

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Old 03-24-2005, 10:48 AM   #9
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Or a DLP or even LCD Projector, more versitle, portable, cheaper (for what you get) and waaay more impressive. My nephews are all like "My uncle has a MOVIE THEATER in his house"
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Old 03-24-2005, 10:57 AM   #10
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Or a DLP or even LCD Projector, more versitle, portable, cheaper (for what you get) and waaay more impressive. My nephews are all like "My uncle has a MOVIE THEATER in his house"

Good contrast projector = light controlled room (for at least another few years).

The three panel lcos (Sony Qualia) and dlp (Marantz, etc.) projectors are better at this, but they are still $$$$$.
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Old 03-24-2005, 11:29 AM   #11
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The flat screen HDTV projection or DLP are so big in size and weight and I don't know whether DFW will be my final destination in life as I might have a chance to move to another country in the future.

So I'm still aiming at a cheap (well don't want to call it that way) reasonably / affordably / cheaply priced 30" LCD.

I think I changed my mind on 27" since "30 is probably better for computer resolution.

Just trying to setup a cheap and nice media center in my own room that I can bring anywhere I go in 2-3 years down the road.

And don't feel like spending $1200 or more.

I was actually looking for the Syntax Olevia that was on Fry's and CompUSA at a good bargain.

Read many reviews about these Chinesse made LCD / Taiwan.
And they perform greatly for the price bargain.
And some of them can accept PAL, SECAM too...

Seen other brands ads like Westinghouse, PowerSpec, SVA, Sceptre Technologies, Inc, many others.

Still can't make up my mind yet.

Brizey,
Mind if I swing by your store just to chat sometime?
Just want to check it out and see if I could ask you some questions.
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Old 03-24-2005, 11:53 AM   #12
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Brizey,
Mind if I swing by your store just to chat sometime?
Just want to check it out and see if I could ask you some questions.
No problem. We will be on Preston for a few more months, then we are moving to Frisco. I will be moving the construction side of the business as soon as we get our CO. You can also get tempted by our tasty wares. We have about 20 flat panels on display, plus five media rooms. We are custom audio/video install oriented, so we don't have many LCD's that are computer oriented, although all the big panels and projectors have at least a VGA (RGBHV) input.

I am mostly involved with the construction part of the business, so I am only there during the week.
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Plasma = flicker
LCD = ghosting
CRT = bad blacks

Its all in what you want.

Here is a good article to read on the different technologies.
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/dis...309/index.html
http://www20.graphics.tomshardware.c...314/index.html
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CRT = bad blacks
My company does video related things... so we bought the "DVD Calibration Disk" for tvs.
I took it home and used it.... made a tremendous difference on my 32" crt hdtv. Very much worth the $50
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Ah..

I like the Costco's one.
It can also accept PAL, and SECAM just in case my relatives come from overseas to play their "camcorder"

I'm going to have to check it out @ Costco after work tonight.
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The costco one is calling my name... but my wife is insisting on a plasma....
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Check out Sceptre's website..
Seems like they just entered the US market as their website is pretty much still suck compared to Syntax Olevia's
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Check out Sceptre's website..
Seems like they just entered the US market as their website is pretty much still suck compared to Syntax Olevia's
I sold an assload of Sceptre monitors back in '96/'97 when I was selling computers.... not exactly NEC, but they usually made good products.
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I sold an assload of Sceptre monitors back in '96/'97 when I was selling computers.... not exactly NEC, but they usually made good products.
Ah..

Thanks for that information.
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along this topic.. What is the best bang for your buck right now(HDTV) ... size being the main factor, then quality. Obviously when I say size is first I still need good quality but I don't want to pay for a plasma over getting a 60 inch TV for soo much less..
I would assume my budget will be in the 1000-1500 range but I am open to all ideas...
(99% of what I watch is sports)
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You want Rear Projection? If you do get RP.. definetly get DLP! I have it w/o it and the dark scenes suck ass.
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You want Rear Projection? If you do get RP.. definetly get DLP! I have it w/o it and the dark scenes suck ass.
Thanks, I would assume rear Projection will be the best way to go at this point...Maybe in a year I will move this TV up to the game-room and get a nice once downstairs...


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along this topic.. What is the best bang for your buck right now(HDTV) ... size being the main factor, then quality. Obviously when I say size is first I still need good quality but I don't want to pay for a plasma over getting a 60 inch TV for soo much less..
I would assume my budget will be in the 1000-1500 range but I am open to all ideas...
(99% of what I watch is sports)
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Watch a lot of dark scenes: get a DLP. I saw the new Sony Grand Wegas at the Sony show in LV two weeks ago and they are better, but still can't produce the same dark levels as a DLP.

Watch a lot of bright scenes: get a Sony Grand Wega. DLP has great contrast but poor white gradients. Come into our store and watch a hockey game (ice!!). We have a HD recording of a hockey game. On the Sony's, you can see all the ice detail. On any DLP (Samsung, Toshiba, even the Sharp projectors to a degree) you can hardly see the lines on the ice. Until three chip DLP's are available, this will be the case.

I would say that for sports you are better off with a Grand Wega. Movie buffs usually choose DLP. We sell both, so we don't really care except we want the customers to be happy. Grand Wega's are little cheaper, too. The new ones this summer/fall will have better cabinets.
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45" Sharp Aquos is the only way IMHO
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