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Old 03-23-2005, 10:42 PM   #1
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Question Any Innovate LC-1 / XD-1 impressions?

I am not sure if this setup is even retailing yet, but it looks like a less expensive way to read and log afr's when used with some third party EM. The LC-1 is not as feature rich as an LM-1 but it seems to be adequate for most tuning needs.

Has anyone seen these yet? Anyone have any opinions on them?

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/x...cat=252&page=1
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Old 03-24-2005, 06:57 AM   #2
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How is it less expensive? You can get an LM-1 for $320.

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Old 03-24-2005, 09:32 AM   #3
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The LC-1 is just $200 with sensor. The XD-1 does not appear to be needed in order to log afr, and it comprises the difference in the package price.

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Old 03-24-2005, 10:49 AM   #4
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Oh. I just looked at your link and the price at the bottom and saw the $399 pricetag. If it's $200 and hooks to the Cobb ST, heck I should have waited and bought it instead of the LM-1.

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Old 03-25-2005, 12:11 PM   #5
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looking for more info on this. Seems the LC-1 would be adequate for my use with Street Tuner..and I wouldnt have to find a place for the big LM-1 display. Nobody has used these yet?
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Old 03-26-2005, 05:49 PM   #6
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Does anyone know anything about this product???
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Old 03-26-2005, 06:53 PM   #7
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Does anyone know anything about this product???
Obviously not. It's new, no? Be the first...
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Old 03-27-2005, 06:16 AM   #8
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Winston, Eli.....
You guys should stop by the shop we have one of these and it works awesome. I think it's the other model however. I plugged it in and ran it in my car the other night only to find out that I'm at 10:1AFR and it even went down to 9.8:1AFR!!!!!! So, I am having to re-tune the car.
My only guess is that the gearset took away the load, thus only running 15psi and in doing so I'm running way too rich.

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Old 03-29-2005, 10:04 AM   #9
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how do you log with it directly? you need to have some kind of A/D input for your logging tool. oem ecu has none. utec has none. tuner pro does, but then why would you need a wideband?
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Old 03-30-2005, 11:06 PM   #10
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Default Another Option

1. If anyone finds this unit for the $200 please let me know, the "gauge" itself is $230 I belive.
2. Has anyone tried the device from zeitronix?

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Old 03-31-2005, 01:25 PM   #11
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how do you log with it directly? you need to have some kind of A/D input for your logging tool. oem ecu has none. utec has none. tuner pro does, but then why would you need a wideband?
It has a serial output. I'd imagine that it uses the same protocol as the LM-1 so if you use one of the UTEC/LM-1 logging tools, Deltadash, or anything else that supports logging of the LM-1 you should be able to log with the LC-1 but I don't know this for sure.
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Old 03-31-2005, 01:28 PM   #12
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If I'm not mistaken, the serial protocol for the new unit *should* work with the UTEC->LM1 logger program that I wrote. I think the serial protocol for all of Innovates products are the same. Which means you can still use this version and the UTEC to get Tuner-esque logs...

Here is the link to the software...MPS_UTECLogger_1.2

If anyone gets one of these new units, let me know if the program works with it...

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Old 03-31-2005, 02:26 PM   #13
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The LC-1 (aka Lambda Cable) is a complete wideband controller built in to a sealed and rugged cable. It features the same industry-leading patented digital circuit found in the proven LM-1, and includes digital in & out, plus two programmable analog outputs.
From http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/resources/news7.php
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Old 04-04-2005, 10:16 AM   #14
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A friend of mine has ordered one that should be arriving today. I will try to check it out and post my findings later.
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Old 04-04-2005, 11:49 AM   #15
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It's about time Innovate came out with something like this. Looking at WB for use with ST and this may just be it. Then I won't have to borrow a friends LM-1. Looking forward to some user reviews.
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Old 04-04-2005, 02:41 PM   #16
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It's very cool. It's a logging WB sensor. As long as the data read rate is high enough it will be a great tuning tool and not a bad guage to have. I'd want it to record at least at 10 Hz, 20 Hz would be better with a time stamp.
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Old 04-07-2005, 06:23 PM   #17
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I am on the verge of buying the Cobb StreetTUNER which is compatible with LM-1 (349) now I am wondering for 50 bucks more I wouldn't mind having a gauge and a unit that does essentially everything an LM-1 does (i.e. the Innovate “Standalone Gauge Kit” comes complete with the new LC-1 Wideband Controller for 399).

My question is would this work with the StreetTUNER?
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Old 04-08-2005, 12:41 AM   #18
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^^^
The answer to that question will be provided shortly.

We just finished some install work tonight on the XD-1, and the O2 bung was welded in last night. So it looks like the package gets wired and tested tomorrow.
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Old 04-12-2005, 10:38 PM   #19
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Old 06-14-2005, 12:05 AM   #20
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Ever any updates on this?
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Old 06-14-2005, 12:09 AM   #21
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On which part? I had an LC-1 installed in my car for a bit and it is also working with StreetTUNER. It performs almost identically to the LM-1, albeit it comes in a more discrete package.

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The XD-1 and ST.
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Old 06-14-2005, 10:43 AM   #23
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I just finished the install of my LC-1/XD-1 combo last Saturday. I installed the sensor in place of the stock rear O2 sensor. The body of the LC-1 is attached to the side of the transmission mount near the stock O2 sensor plug. I ran the wires up along the stock harness then routed towards the driver side firewall gromet above the pedals. XD-1 is floating in the corner where the door, a-pillar, and dash meet.

I'm using the newest LM-1 DLL with StreetTUNER on my 05 STi. I did a test logging sesion with it. Looks Good.

(Terminator)-->(LC-1)-->(XD-1)-->(SIIG USB Serial Adapter)-->(Laptop)

The XD-1 is pretty sweet. Very easy to see even in bright light. The auto dimmer keeps the glare down at night.
Overall good stuff.
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Old 06-14-2005, 03:11 PM   #24
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Nevermind I wasn't thinking

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Old 06-14-2005, 03:34 PM   #25
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lc-1 = lambda cable 1....$199
xd-1 = lambda display 1...$229

all you need to log in ST is the lc-1
the xd-1 is the add on display

as far as i can tell the lc-1 has all the featuers of the lm-1 but without the display/ (and off line data logging?)

i just purchase the lm-1 for use with my tec2
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