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Old 03-27-2005, 01:39 AM   #1
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At the Track Performance Driving Experience at Pocono June 17 & 18

The Tri-Region Race Group www.triregionracing.org will be putting on two one-day Performance Driving Experiences (PDEs) at Pocono Raceway on the 2.5 mile club racing course on June 17 & 18. These PDEs will be sanctioned by the SCCA. The rules for track days with the SCCA have been completely revamped for 2005 so the events will be run more like other club's track days.

The Supplemental Regulations are here, with a link to the rules:
http://www.triregionracing.org/2005%...structions.pdf

The Registration form is here:
http://www.edjenks.com/tri-region_pde_entry_form.htm

Check the Tri-Region website for the latest info. I'd be happy to answer any questions.
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Old 03-28-2005, 12:51 PM   #2
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Some questions and comments on the supplemental regulation.

Because my trailer is not enclosed, I have to leave it outide the paddock unloading my tire rack and tool boxes onto the ground? But if I paid more money for an enclosed trailer then I could keep it in the paddock attached to a 27' motorhome?

The double infield setup would be preferrable, if a chicane is going to put right in front of the bowl. The only reason anyone likes the single infield set up is for the speed that can be carried through the bowl. The chicane makes 2/3 of the course two boring straights. By no means am I saying that the region should permit the bowl speeds if they don't want to - but if the speeds are going to be limited the dobule infield is a much more interesting course to run.

Will prior NASA experience be accepted and acknowledged or will it be completely disregarded, discarded and criticized?

Will the SCCA ever class the GC8 to run in a regional club class?
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Old 03-28-2005, 09:50 PM   #3
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Because my trailer is not enclosed, I have to leave it outide the paddock unloading my tire rack and tool boxes onto the ground? But if I paid more money for an enclosed trailer then I could keep it in the paddock attached to a 27' motorhome?
I'm working on getting an answer to this one.

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The double infield setup would be preferrable, if a chicane is going to put right in front of the bowl. The only reason anyone likes the single infield set up is for the speed that can be carried through the bowl. The chicane makes 2/3 of the course two boring straights. By no means am I saying that the region should permit the bowl speeds if they don't want to - but if the speeds are going to be limited the dobule infield is a much more interesting course to run.
Thank you for your comments. We went with this configuration since we are familiar with it. We will consider other configurations next time, once we get some experience under our belts.

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Will prior NASA experience be accepted and acknowledged or will it be completely disregarded, discarded and criticized?
Yes we are considering all experience on a case-by-case basis. If you show you can do well, you may even get an in-day upgrade. You might get razzed a little though.

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Will the SCCA ever class the GC8 to run in a regional club class?
The Touring classes aren't good enough for you?

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Old 03-29-2005, 04:32 AM   #4
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I'm working on getting an answer to this one.

Thank you for your comments. We went with this configuration since we are familiar with it. We will consider other configurations next time, once we get some experience under our belts.

Yes we are considering all experience on a case-by-case basis. If you show you can do well, you may even get an in-day upgrade. You might get razzed a little though.

The Touring classes aren't good enough for you?

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Yeah I have an open trailer and it would suck to not be able to bring it in. I mean I have it at every other club event I've been to (PDA, NASA, etc)

I don't believe the GC8 is classed for any kind of road racing with SCCA. I think only the STi and maybe one or 2 other classes allow for us with Subaru to participate in club racing with SCCA. That's why people wind up getting other makes to do SCCA or simply don't run with SCCA Club Racing due to the fact that they EXCLUDE subarus almost entirely. EMRA and NASA both allow the subies to participate. I know that's one reason I haven't renewed my SCCA membership the past 3 years, since I know there is no place for my car to race with them.



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Old 03-29-2005, 09:03 AM   #5
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I don't believe the GC8 is classed for any kind of road racing with SCCA. I think only the STi and maybe one or 2 other classes allow for us with Subaru to participate in club racing with SCCA. That's why people wind up getting other makes to do SCCA or simply don't run with SCCA Club Racing due to the fact that they EXCLUDE subarus almost entirely. EMRA and NASA both allow the subies to participate. I know that's one reason I haven't renewed my SCCA membership the past 3 years, since I know there is no place for my car to race with them.
There is a straightforward, if tedious, way to get a car classed in the SCCA. If you are serious about it, there is a guy locally who has gotten several cars classed in Touring and I'm sure he'd be willing to help you out with the classification papers. The new T3 class sounds like a great place for the GC8, plus you can request competition adjustment in T3.

Yep, the SCCA swore off turbos because of the cheating on relatively unenforceable rules about creating boost. With the competition adjustments now available in Touring, the power benefits of cheating can be mitigated in other ways.
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Old 03-29-2005, 10:24 AM   #6
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Who in their right mind would want to race a GC8

It seems to me by reading the sups for this event that anyone who is not SCCA accredited will be pushed to the side as all other sanctioning bodies are below them. There are several drivers that are very active on this forum who hold race licenses and instructor certifications from other groups and have many hours of seat time both DE and race at Pocono. Many of us have already contacted the organizers about instructing for this event but being that it is now being posted up and these details are brought to light I feel that they should be addressed

As far as the trailers to I don't have one but most people who will be attending an event like this will be towing open trailers and I'm sure that they will not be happy when they can't pull their trailers into their padock space as already expressed.

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Old 03-29-2005, 10:40 AM   #7
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GC8 is an N/A car - no turbo. I suspect it comes from the SCCA not classing AWD until recently because it is some sort of mystical voodo.

The WRX is in T-3.

The GC8 is the 99-2001 Subaru RS - it is a 2.5 L NA motor. It would have fit well in SS probably back when the car wasn't five years old and no longer eligible for competition adjustment.
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Old 03-29-2005, 11:09 AM   #8
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Old 03-29-2005, 02:25 PM   #9
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There is a straightforward, if tedious, way to get a car classed in the SCCA. If you are serious about it, there is a guy locally who has gotten several cars classed in Touring and I'm sure he'd be willing to help you out with the classification papers. The new T3 class sounds like a great place for the GC8, plus you can request competition adjustment in T3.

Yep, the SCCA swore off turbos because of the cheating on relatively unenforceable rules about creating boost. With the competition adjustments now available in Touring, the power benefits of cheating can be mitigated in other ways.
Like Ed said this is an NA car not a Turbo car. It would fall into some kind of IT class these days I would think. WRX is a turbo car.

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Old 03-29-2005, 02:28 PM   #10
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It seems to me by reading the sups for this event that anyone who is not SCCA accredited will be pushed to the side as all other sanctioning bodies are below them. There are several drivers that are very active on this forum who hold race licenses and instructor certifications from other groups and have many hours of seat time both DE and race at Pocono. Many of us have already contacted the organizers about instructing for this event but being that it is now being posted up and these details are brought to light I feel that they should be addressed
I applied to instruct, we'll see what happens. If they don't want qualified instructors who have races, and many many HPDEs to help instruct then theres not much else I can do about it. Like you said there are several folks in this forum (Zephyr, Adam, Myself, Joe Lee, Ed) that all hold NASA competition liscences, and some of us are certified instructors as well with NASA and PDA.

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Old 03-29-2005, 02:50 PM   #11
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OK now that I got my hot buttons with the SCCA as an organization out of the way...

When you get past the highly charged politics of SCCA environments -

The events are well staffed and well run.
The people involved have large amounts of experience.
On a personal one to one level the people are friendly and eager to help.

I am glad the SCCA added this format to their offerings and I would expect that done right they will run a very good event. Certainly there is no reason at all that someone scheduling driving schools this season shouldn't include this one in their list to the extent the schedule fits.

Anyone who goes, tell them next time to either run the double infield (reverse directions for second day) or to open up the bowl for full speed runs. (I am picturing certain hondas trying to get back out of the bowl after entering it from a chicane.)

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Old 03-29-2005, 02:58 PM   #12
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You actually think I'm going to slow down for the chicane? Being that we'd be running that configuration I think that the Subaru would be the car of choice and not the Hatchcrap. Besides I can not take students out in the Honda.

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Old 03-30-2005, 12:08 PM   #13
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I wasn't worried about your honda. If it goes down into the bowl it won't climb out whether there was a chicane or not.

I guess it could actually be interesting, not sure that I have ever accelerated through the bowl in lower than 5th gear. Again I might be talking out my blah anyway since I haven't ever driven the chicane and how much as a result it really slows you down. It's location and relative size make it appear to have the objective of minimizing maximum speed through the bowl.

Bump, because this will cost less than most mods and will make every car you drive from now that day forward faster. Nothing like a permanent mod you can take freely to any car you drive.
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Old 03-30-2005, 01:22 PM   #14
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GC8 is a turbo car, we also never got them in the US. We got the GC/M6.
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Old 03-30-2005, 01:53 PM   #15
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Then 97.634% of this board makes the same wrong reference. (Case in point http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=585680) Either way I was referring to the 98-2001 US model RS.

And since it was not offered in the US Market would not be eligible for most any US club racing.
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Old 03-30-2005, 04:42 PM   #16
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Keep going Mr Know It All You are correct about people being idiots and refering to it by the wrong name. If they would only look at their VIN plate they would learn so much about the car.

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The thing is apparently you, farabomb, paisan and adam all knew this the whole time and allowed me to use the GC8 designation incorrectly for a long time! You guys must have had fun laughing at my ignorance for the last two years.
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Indeed.
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The thing is apparently you, farabomb, paisan and adam all knew this the whole time and allowed me to use the GC8 designation incorrectly for a long time! You guys must have had fun laughing at my ignorance for the last two years.

Yep!
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anybody from NJ wanna go to this thing, I have a couple of friends that are definetly going........Let me know guys if you wanna go.........caravan there
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Those coming from NNJ and NYC areas will likely be going straight across I-80.
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I applied to instruct, we'll see what happens. If they don't want qualified instructors who have races, and many many HPDEs to help instruct then theres not much else I can do about it. Like you said there are several folks in this forum (Zephyr, Adam, Myself, Joe Lee, Ed) that all hold NASA competition liscences, and some of us are certified instructors as well with NASA and PDA.
We are looking for instructors. Send me your contact info and I will pass it on to the instructor chief.

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You are welcome to come watch the event. There is no charge to get inside the track, but you will have to sign the participant's waiver and be 18 or over. Under 18 cannot get in unless both parents are accompanying you. Trial SCCA memberships will also be available for no charge. Ask at registration.

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