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Old 03-29-2005, 02:48 PM   #1
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Angry All EM's and new emissions testing??

A friend who works for cadillac (head mechanic) said they just finished training for the new NYS Emissions testing. He stated the emissions test will pick up any changes you've made to your ecu, via reflashing,piggyback,etc..
And that if the stock settings have been changed or even if you have a cel code they will fail you? Anybody know the truth about the new emission testing and how it will work? If this is true everyone who has tampered with their ecu map will not be able to pass.
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Old 03-29-2005, 02:59 PM   #2
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Checks the readyness indicators (means you can't reset your ecu check engine lights and drive in) and checks for DTC's (check engine lights). You can use any piggy back or you can reflash provided the reflash is 100% obd2 compliant. Standalones won't pass.

This how the test goes. Plugin to obd2 port.... read. No check engine light. Pass (plus the rest of the normal test)
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Old 03-29-2005, 03:03 PM   #3
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This depends on what part of the OBD protocol your ecu supports. I have an '02, manual, that started life as an AF421, got reflashed ECUTEK to an AF423 that just passed the NYS test without issue. As far as I can tell the OBDII ecu's up to and including '04 won't have any problems. It is the '05's that are a problem, as they added CVN and CIN numbers to the protocol. Both of these will change if anything is done to the code in the ecu. Both of these numbers are based on the data that is actually stored in the lookup tables.

Basically the NYS computer just queries your ECU for the information. It knows, based on the year of the vehicle and the VIN #, what protocol is and is not supported by that particular ECU. Subaru had to notify the DOT about all ECU code versions and corresponding CIN numbers. If your ecu happens to be an '05 and it doesn't report the correct CIN: you fail, If you have a CEL: you fail, If you have stored trouble codes: you fail, and if all of the system readiness tests aren't complete: you fail.

Luckily, the flash I have takes care of everything, it is an '02 (which doesn't support CVN, CIN, or VIN) and certain tolerances have been adjusted to ensure that CEL's for the common stuff (cat ineffeciency, etc.) don't ever occur and that the test for the CAT's is always happy.

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Old 03-29-2005, 05:27 PM   #4
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If your ecu happens to be an '05 and it doesn't report the correct CIN: you fail, If you have a CEL: you fail, If you have stored trouble codes: you fail, and if all of the system readiness tests aren't complete: you fail.
For model years 96-99 you can have 2 readiness monitors not ready and still pass. Model years 2000-2003 you can have one not ready and pass. 2004 and 2005 are not tested emissions wise with the NYVIP system. Next year it will roll up to 05-06 not tested. 04 will (as of yet) still be allowed to have one monitor not ready.
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Old 03-29-2005, 05:44 PM   #5
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EcuTeK supports the VIN and CIN but the CVN will change due to the reflash. Will the CVN change cause you to fail in NYS?
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Old 03-29-2005, 05:53 PM   #6
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Since '05 will not be "plugged in" for 2 years, no one really knows. To the letter of the law, you should fail, but we dont know how smart the machine actually is yet.
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Old 03-30-2005, 02:20 AM   #7
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i'm sure by the time it comes to get your car smogged, tuners will be able to get around it
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