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Old 04-05-2005, 01:06 AM   #1
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Question COBB stage 2 & accessport?

I have a 02 wrx wagon, and come the funds (probably summer), will be upping the power. I've researched and priced a lot of packages because i think that'd be the most complete way to go. Chip and turbo-back exhaust seem to be the way to go. I've considered power packs from Prodrive, APS, Vishnu, Vivid, and COBB. And i've pretty much decided on the Cobb stage 2, it seems to be the best bang for the buck, and i think i like the idea of the accessport compared to the Ecutek, because you can manually turn it on or off, and set it to different driving styles.
And so i'm asking if any of you have the Cobb stage 2 package, and if so:
how user freindly is it? how's the power? how's it compare to other packages? how loud is the exhaust? (i'd like quiet) And stories of cars asses you've kicked maybe... hehehe
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Old 04-05-2005, 01:22 AM   #2
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just get a down pipe and keep the stock cat back exhaust if you are on a budget. The stock system is quiet even with a Downpipe. If you want a pre programed system and have no future for tuning,get an accessport. don't buy an intake as you will learn they do nothing. downpipe uppipe and AP. WI 4 LIFE

Don't buy a Blow Off Valve either those suck for your car too. some leak boost and mess with your air fuel ratios.
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Old 04-05-2005, 02:38 AM   #3
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cobb stage 2 is great....the car is alot funner to drive and is alot quicker. You don't need to get cobbs turboback..its super expensive. There are plenty of options on what turboback to get, read unabombers posts...theres alotta info there.

supposedly cobb stage 2 can keep up with a stock sti for a lil while..

if you want a quiet car you can think about getting the turboxs stealthback. Its basically a tbe that allows you to use watever axelback you want. You can just keep your stock muffler with exhaust and and uppipe. That'll put you at stage 2....you'll be fast but quiet. very sleeperish. I had the stealthback w/ stock muffler for awhile..i liked it alot but eventually got a prodrive oval tip exhaust. Car is quite a bit louder but more responsive on the throttle.
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Old 04-05-2005, 04:31 AM   #4
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A friend of mine has an 04 WRX and is at stage II. The thing hauls. I'm almost stock except for exhaust, and he pulled on me like I was standing still. Stage II is incredible (in my opinion). 1st and 4th gear are completely better than stock and throttle response in much better. I can't wait to get my AP and Downpipe in the mail.
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Old 04-05-2005, 04:56 AM   #5
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Dyno tuned ecutek owns cobb.
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Old 04-05-2005, 10:06 AM   #6
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Dyno tuned ecutek owns cobb.
Yes, but the functionality of the AP owns the one map you get with Ecutek.

It all comes down to what you want your car to be. If you want it to be a reliable daily driver with good power and the ability to switch maps based on driving style (performance, economy, autox stock) then the AP is the way to go. If you want max power then look at the Utec or Ecutek, but understand that they will be around twice as expensive after tuning and with the Ecutek you will be locked into that map.
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Old 04-05-2005, 10:38 AM   #7
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how user freindly is it? - Very easy to use
how's the power? - night and day difference from stock, stage 2 is a big improvement over stage 1.
how's it compare to other packages? - Dont know, only used Cobb.
how loud is the exhaust? - I have helix flex uppie, stromung short d/p with twin dump and stock from there, car is very quiet-same as stock.
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Old 04-05-2005, 11:13 AM   #8
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I just went Stage 2 not too long ago. I had been running catless for about 4 months prior. I noticed a Huge difference in the power delivery, very smooth and it pulls very hard 2nd through 3rd gear, even fourth is nice now. It was extremely easy to use the Accessport device, and ive had no problems hitting target boost etc. Its good stuff. Money well spent
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Old 04-05-2005, 11:40 AM   #9
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I don't have the CS-2 but I'll be getting one. I've been researching for a little over a month and can't see any better option than CS-2. A few things to remember...

1. The up-pipe manufacturer isn't critical, just get one.
2. The down-pipe manufacturer isn't critical, but don't get a Flat-Plane (like HKS).
3. You can go CS-1 with no other mods, an excellent first mod.
4. You'll need a down-pipe to go CS-2.
5. If you keep a single cat your car will be quieter, less smelly, and blow less black smoke while losing only a few HP. My suggestion is that if this is your intent, get a high-flow model.
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Old 04-05-2005, 11:53 AM   #10
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I've had cobb stage 2 with my accessport for about a year now
its great I wouldnt do anything but that
being able to switch maps on the fly is awesome
its very user friendly just make sure you follow the instructions
the power is great, the power delivery is smooth and the torque is about 220 to the wheel from 3000 rpm all the way to 5500 when boost starts tapering
well any exhaust you get is gonna be louder than stock but depending on if you leave any cats in your exhaust and what specific cat back you get it could be quieter
get ready for the power, i've beaten stock evos and stis bout 13.5 @ 100 in the 1/4
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Old 04-05-2005, 12:51 PM   #11
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I too have COBB Stg 2 93 octane, and it freaking rocks!!! so easy to use. The downpipe was pretty easy to install, I also have a gutted stock uppipe, which was a bitch to install.

But the AP is soooo easy to use.. just read the manual. I love the AP because I can run an aggressive map, an econo map, STX map (which rocks), and many other maps. ITs very functional. I like it because you dont haev to send your ecu anywher to get reflashed.

I just autoxd with the STX2 map, stayed in 1st gear teh whole course it was awesome. THe power was amazing, spun my tires coming out of every turn.
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Old 04-05-2005, 01:15 PM   #12
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Quote:
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how user freindly is it? - Very easy to use
how's the power? - night and day difference from stock, stage 2 is a big improvement over stage 1.
how's it compare to other packages? - Dont know, only used Cobb.
how loud is the exhaust? - I have helix flex uppie, stromung short d/p with twin dump and stock from there, car is very quiet-same as stock.
I'm glad to see people out there using shorty downpipes with their stage 2. Im having a hard time decideding on going with a long downpipe, the helix, or a short one, CR. So how is the power with the shorty? Can you compare it to anybody else you know who has a long downpipe?
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Old 04-05-2005, 01:41 PM   #13
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Great thread... I've had a turboback for a while with no other performance mods and I've been on the fence about what I was going to do next.. I've been leaning strong toward the Access-port, but I like what I see from the Vishnu graphs better.

I realize with Vishnu you're stuck with whatever map they give you but there's only the Stage 2 and Stage 2.5 for Cobb (and what I've heard the 2.5 isn't that much better) Stage 3 has been pushed back so many times and then just vanished from their website all together. At least I know Vishnu has higher level packages that I could go to (even if it mean sending my ECU back in)

Anyone here running the Vishnu stages that can offer a comparison to the Cobb stages?
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Old 04-05-2005, 01:43 PM   #14
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to people that think 2.5 isnt much better then stage 2 can meet me somewhere in MA for an ass kicking, closed course
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Old 04-05-2005, 01:50 PM   #15
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there are many cool maps with AP. like I mentioned, STX, STX2, Econo, Valet, Anti Theft, Stg1 91, stg1 93, stg 2 91, stg 2 93. and many more.
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Old 04-05-2005, 03:24 PM   #16
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I too started saving for a high flow catted Helix d/p before I realized I was a moron. With the Stromung I was able to get stage 2 for $190.00 and leave the rest of my stock exh alone for noise and NJ inspection reasons. Power is amazing compared to stock or Stage 1, huge improvement. Can't compare to someone with a long d/p since I dont know anyone around here that has one.
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Old 04-05-2005, 04:53 PM   #17
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I too started saving for a high flow catted Helix d/p before I realized I was a moron. With the Stromung I was able to get stage 2 for $190.00 and leave the rest of my stock exh alone for noise and NJ inspection reasons. Power is amazing compared to stock or Stage 1, huge improvement. Can't compare to someone with a long d/p since I dont know anyone around here that has one.
I will say that there is a significant increase in power with just the shorty DP, but there is more to be had from the rest of the exhaust. I started with a Stromung DP; noticed more boost with the addition of a Stromung 3" dual tip CB and a little more power still with the addition of the Stromung midpipe with high flow cat.
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Old 04-05-2005, 10:42 PM   #18
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to people that think 2.5 isnt much better then stage 2 can meet me somewhere in MA for an ass kicking, closed course
4 questions
-How much more power are you making over the stage 2?
-Is there greater turbo lag than the stage 2/stock?
-Is there lower amounts of power in the low end (some of the turbo tunes I've seen they actually make less power than stock below 3K)
-Do you have any other complimenting parts to support the Stage 2.5 other than the requisite pump/injectors/turbo?

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Old 04-05-2005, 10:54 PM   #19
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Well, I may as well chime in too. I have had my COBB S2 setup for about 4 months now. It is sweet with a capital S. I just got a chance to use the S2 STX map about a month ago and that is awesome. The versatility is key.

I have an UP, DP, CB, and intercooler hoses. So, I am just beyond their S2 specifications. I put my car on the dyno before I flashed my car to stage 2 and got 213/213. I then flashed my ecu on the dyno and did some more pulls. That time I got 232/233. An instant 20 whp gain, and have probably gained a little more since the ecu has had time to completely learn. For $595 I couldnt be happier.

Like others have said it is very smooth and fast. I chose Cobb, because at this point in my modding I wanted something conservative and safe, with the option of upgrading in the future. I cant wait to go to S2.5. I am hitting above Cobb's target boost, but also have the few other mods listed above, plus use 93oct.

I think this about covers it. If you have any questions feel free to ask.
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Old 04-06-2005, 12:16 AM   #20
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I've also had the AP stage 2 for a couple months now and I couldn't be happier. I had an MBC with my turboback (with high flow cat) for 2 years and always had to watch the partial throttle. It was killer watching egts going up hill too... either no boost, or WOT. But now, I have ditched the mbc and couldn't be happier with the AP. It was the easiest thing to "install" if you can even call it that . And the power is great. Really smooths out the power, and the car just keeps pulling and pulling now even in the higher rpms. If you thought 2nd gear was good before, you'll have a whole new respect for 3rd gear afterwards.

Just wish I had made the jump earlier!
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Old 04-06-2005, 12:37 AM   #21
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I got to drive my buddies stg 2.5 and it was nice. It did have alittle more turbo lag because of the larger turbo. but it did have more power..

I am doing what 5spdfreak did. I have a UP, DOWN, CB, and hopefully soon some hoses..
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Old 04-07-2005, 09:56 AM   #22
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after you go st 2 (which you WILL LOVE), you may want to start watching the used parts forum for some mtr/tranny mounts. the stock one are soft to begin with and only get worse.


other than that,,,
DO IT!
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