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Old 04-05-2005, 10:30 AM   #1
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Question Help me figure out what I need to part with to drop down to a reasonable AutoX class.

So I've got a 14lb flywheel that automatically puts me into SM. I've been pretty much assured that I'd end up running the slower times if I run in SM.

I have an opportunity coming up shortly to swap back to a stock clutch setup.

Here's a list of what else is done to the car.

Subaru 4-pots
WRX sized rotors
SS lines
MRT Master Cylinder Brace
20mm RSB
Solid rear droplinks
Primitive Strut Tower Bar
KybAGX & Eibach Pro springs

I think that's all...

What else do I need to lose to drop back down into a more-suitable class?

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Old 04-05-2005, 10:34 AM   #2
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Who cares. Run SM. No offense, but you're not going to be competitive at first anyway. I run SM and I'm not competitive, but I still have fun. Run SM to have some fun and get experience, and then decide if you want to drop go through the hassle of prepping your car for a specific class.
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Old 04-05-2005, 10:35 AM   #3
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Drop the flywheel for STX
Drop the flywheel, calipers and rotors for STS

edit: And I completely agree with What Tim said above. Other than a few times I am ussually not competitive in STS, I don't care, I just go out to have fun anyway. Plus even if you do drop all that stuff off to get into STS your car will be far from ideal for the class (no coilovers or camber plates). And even if you do get all of this there are still no guarantees that you will be competitive... plus then you won't have any excuses.

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Old 04-05-2005, 10:38 AM   #4
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Yeah, listen to Tim. Like I said in the other thread, you can always compare the times anyway. It is only the true psychos *cough* who let their modding desires get quelled by autocross classing.

(the flip side is, I would probably have an EJ207 and RA gears if not for autocross)
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Old 04-05-2005, 10:41 AM   #5
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The only thing you have that bumps you into SM is the pulley. Without it you would be in STX. That is what I would do if you want even a chance to get some decent points. SM has some killer fast cars. In STX, you can't use r-compounds so you would fit in better.

BTW, like Mavic said, you ain't going to be competative for a while anyway. I run in BSP, get FTD about 85% of the time but always get creamed because of my PAX/Index score (end up like 5th overall in points for the season).


Just have fun and enjoy the really fast novice learning curve.
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Old 04-05-2005, 10:47 AM   #6
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Just buy this one part and you will be ok in SM if you drive well.

http://www.brennen.net/evo4sale.html
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Old 04-05-2005, 11:05 AM   #7
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Drop the master cylider brace and 4pots... sell it to psyber_0ptix
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Old 04-05-2005, 11:13 AM   #8
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TubeDriver
The only thing you have that bumps you into SM is the pulley.
You mean flywheel?

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Drop the master cylider brace and 4pots... sell it to psyber_0ptix
If I did part with them, he would be the first on my list to gift them to.

I guess I could just run SM and get owned a bit till I figure out if I want to get competitive...hmm. I can still compare my times to folks in lower classes right? The timing/courses aren't any different per class are they?
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Old 04-05-2005, 11:16 AM   #9
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Yea, flywheel or pulley or the round shaped thingy that turns and connects to the flux capacitor. Yea, you can compare your times with STX or DS to see how you rank.


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You mean flywheel?

If I did part with them, he would be the first on my list to gift them to.

I guess I could just run SM and get owned a bit till I figure out if I want to get competitive...hmm. I can still compare my times to folks in lower classes right? The timing/courses aren't any different per class are they?
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Old 04-05-2005, 11:26 AM   #10
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It is only the true psychos *cough* who let their modding desires get quelled by autocross classing.
Yup, those guys are weird. Um...

Flywheel puts you in SP, not SM. Master Cylinder thingy... idunno. Otherwise, sounds relatively ST'ish.

This region supplies ample humility, regardless of class. So, might as well run the right one, eh?

And if that evo sells, Greg will be joining his dad in the STX green E36 that much sooner.
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Old 04-05-2005, 11:27 AM   #11
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Quote:
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I can still compare my times to folks in lower classes right? The timing/courses aren't any different per class are they?
*cough*
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Yeah, listen to Tim. Like I said in the other thread, you can always compare the times anyway.
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Old 04-05-2005, 12:19 PM   #12
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Dave, with my car I have to run SM and I'm not competitive either. Like everyone else is saying, just go out and have fun.
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Old 04-05-2005, 02:48 PM   #13
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Just buy this one part and you will be ok in SM if you drive well.

http://www.brennen.net/evo4sale.html
Thanks...

Don't be frightened off from SM based on thinking that you have an underprepped car -- the fact is that most of the cars running SM at local events are underprepped. Just as a rough guess:

20% of entrants are serious competitors who have the SM rules memorized and who have prepped specifically for autoX. I'm guilty of this...

30% of entrants are habitual "car modders" who have a ton of modifications, but not necessarily focused on autoX. Guys like mav1c...

50% of entrants are in the class because, like you, they might have something on the car which is only legal in SM, and they never considered the classing implications.


It's been pointed out to you that you should just have fun... That's probably the best advice.
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Old 04-05-2005, 02:50 PM   #14
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And if that evo sells, Greg will be joining his dad in the STX green E36 that much sooner.
Greg has already switched to STX for the season -- I'm sure he wants to win another season points title to back up the FSP title from last year.
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Old 04-05-2005, 02:58 PM   #15
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Greg has already switched to STX for the season -- I'm sure he wants to win another season points title to back up the FSP title from last year.
OK, who's for pitchin' in and buying the Olsen's an x-brace?
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Old 04-05-2005, 03:14 PM   #16
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<John>Hey Greg, check this thing out over here!
<Greg>Huh? Hey, I have to help novices.
<John>No, really, check it out, it's so cool.
<John motions at Randy and Brandon>
<John>Oh, I guess you're right, that's just the stadium.
<Greg>Are these different tires?
<John>What do you mean?
<Greg>Well, when I left, I had Falkens. But now I have tires that look like Hoosiers, except with the "Hoosier" crossed out and with "Falken" written in with a Sharpie.
<John>Uh.. that's strange. Good luck; try not to get protested.
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Old 04-05-2005, 03:29 PM   #17
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<John>Hey Greg, check this thing out over here!
<Greg>Huh? Hey, I have to help novices.
<John>No, really, check it out, it's so cool.
<John motions at Randy and Brandon>
<John>Oh, I guess you're right, that's just the stadium.
<Greg>Are these different tires?
<John>What do you mean?
<Greg>Well, when I left, I had Falkens. But now I have tires that look like Hoosiers, except with the "Hoosier" crossed out and with "Falken" written in with a Sharpie.
<John>Uh.. that's strange. Good luck; try not to get protested.


That's pretty much how I invision it...

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Old 04-06-2005, 12:00 AM   #18
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i'm in SM, cant drive worth ****...

i remember i was horrible at the subaru challenge... re92's postive camber all around, wack toe eveywhere and turbo lag... what an interesting experience.

now that i know the car a bit better, i cant wait to push it at the autocross, i'm afraid it will oversteer a little more than i'm used to (as i have yet to really test the new suspensions out)


just because i suck ass at driving doesnt mean it isnt fun either way. the only shame is you only drive for about 4 minutes total. but it keeps you busy the whole way through, searching and adjusting.

oh yea... sell me your brakes



edit: now that i think about it... i dont know if i belong in SM anymore, i have a psrs and my rear endlinks have moved from stock locations yada yada...

i will have to read over the damned book again... but i may have to do fun runs to be "fair" in comparison to everyone elses mods. even though they would p3wn me with a stock car...

wdcr i think was revamping thier grid/timing program to enable new classes...last year they didnt have sm2 or other classes found at some other regions... i dunno... any guru want to help me out in figuring whre i belong?
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Old 04-06-2005, 11:52 AM   #19
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Dave, I agree with the others here who say just run what you brung for now. If you are good at it after your first couple tries, then you are some kind of freak and I commend you. Unless you're concerned about points, then your class really doesn't matter. You can compare your times to STS to see how you would do in that class. For a couple years, slim speedy would sign up for SM sometimes and STS other times simply because he didn't feel like waking up for the morning session . Now that he could earn some points this season, I think he's going to be in STS. If I were you, I wouldn't start de-modding just yet. You don't have any mods that would make it impossible to compare your times to STS. If your times are in the top 5 or so, then you might want to consider your options.
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