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Old 04-11-2005, 03:31 AM   #1
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Hi all,

What is your opinion on the UTEC? Some people suggest getting the UTEC and getting it "tuned/mapped" and others have suggested just getting my ECU reflashed.

Any advise is appreciated.
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Old 04-11-2005, 05:26 AM   #2
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Dude, search for "Utec" and set aside several hours for reading. There's nothing new to say on the subject.
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Old 04-11-2005, 07:00 AM   #3
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Main issue is.
ARE YOU GOING TO LEARN TO TUNE THE UTEC?
If you want a plug and forget system go reflash.

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Old 04-11-2005, 03:37 PM   #4
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TMS - Does the reflash give u same performance as you would from a tuned UTEC?

BAN SUVS - I have read the numerous posts, but i was asking local. I don't know how to tune it so if i were to get the UTEC and someone had it etc. A logical follow up question would be, did you tune it yourself or where did u get it tuned? If they got it tuned elsewhere a follow up question would be "how much did it cost you" Luckily, there are nice people on this forum like yourself. I hope being a smart ass on the internet does a bunch for your ego.
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Old 04-11-2005, 05:48 PM   #5
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Ask specific questions, get specific answers. Ask general questions, get told to do a search. There's really no reason to ask the question "locally" unless you want to go directly to tuners. Mike at Gruppe-S would be your best local source of info on the Utec, and he'll probably tell you a reflash is your better option. It's cheaper and safer.

And you haven't seen me be a smartass.
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Old 04-12-2005, 12:21 AM   #6
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If you're not interested in learning to tune yourself, there's no reason to consider the UTEC. Even if you're interested in learning to tune, I'd say Cobb Street tuner is a better option. Otherwise, a reflash is the best bet. There are several good tuners in the bay area offering Ecutek reflashes, including myself. Feel free to ask any other questions.

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Old 04-12-2005, 05:20 AM   #7
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If you're not interested in learning to tune yourself, there's no reason to consider the UTEC. Even if you're interested in learning to tune, I'd say Cobb Street tuner is a better option. Otherwise, a reflash is the best bet. There are several good tuners in the bay area offering Ecutek reflashes, including myself. Feel free to ask any other questions.

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The street tuner is NOT the place to start learning to tune. The Utec is much much simpler to tune.
PL-ERAC do you have ANY experience tuning cars? I started in the pionts and carb world. The fundementals haven't changed only the tools have changed. Instead of swaping jets in a carb you just punch in #'s in a grid. But if you have 0 experience with tuning any type of engine go with a reflash. An off the shelf reflash won't make as much power as a tuned Utec. But a custom reflash "should" be very close to a tuned Utec.

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Old 04-12-2005, 10:27 AM   #8
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while a utec may be simpler to tune it takes off the safty items if you tune it wrong and the car can go boom. While the ap street tuner will just run like pooo and then you can learn from your mistakes and not have a blown engine on your hands or damaged i should say.
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Old 04-12-2005, 11:21 AM   #9
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while a utec may be simpler to tune it takes off the safty items if you tune it wrong and the car can go boom. While the ap street tuner will just run like pooo and then you can learn from your mistakes and not have a blown engine on your hands or damaged i should say.
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An example:
Timing maps?
How many are there in the utec? Answer= 1
If you have a bad cell with to much timimg the utec will pull upto 16*(setup from TXS) if there is a knock event.
How many are there in the ST? I have seen 5 on the Sti version.
If you have a problem with to much timing wich map do you change? If you make a mistake in one of the knock corection maps and don't alow the ECU to pull timing enough because of the map you changed. I think you will det like crazy and eventualy Boom. (Not saying that won't happen with Utec)

From what I have seen of the ST it is in between the Utec/Xede and a full stand alone. IMO for a beginer to start with the ST would be a mistake and my turn a beginer off from trying to tune thier car. I know I have been using the Utec since it was released and I am hesitant on using the ST. So far I have not been able to find enough info on how the maps in the ST work together for me to go in and "play" with them. I think the ST is a great product for the subaru comunity but it is not for everyone and is a very complicated piece of gear.

Just my $0.02

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Old 04-12-2005, 01:05 PM   #10
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I stick with TMS's original advice: Want to learn, get the UTEC. Want to just get power w/o learning, get a reflash. Skipp Cobb.

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Old 04-12-2005, 04:00 PM   #11
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I have to disagree with you guys on this. Sure the UTEC is a simpler system, but it has a lot of quirks that don't belong in any good EM solution (mainly lack of adaptability to conditions and the UTEC/ECU crossover). This forces the user to learn to tune around these quirks when they should really be learning to fundamentals of timing, boost, and fuel. The lack of adaptability and constant tinkering required with the UTEC has also turned off many beginers trying to learn. While the cobb ST is new and has a couple quirks of its own, it still allows the user to learn to tune a true, robust EMS with all the safegaurds and learning abilities of the OEM ECU. So while the UTEC may be a simpler system overall, the ST is more useful and much more like real standalone EM solutions.

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how come everytime i say something ed you make what i wanted to say sound much better....ed right
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