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Old 07-25-2001, 04:55 AM   #1
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Default Anyone know of anyone selling a 99-01 STOCK 2.5RS for under 8K?

If the price is right I might just buy another and build the snot out of it. Let me know. Mileage isn't a concern.
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Old 07-25-2001, 10:04 AM   #2
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Default under 8K! hahaha

dude, there's no way you'll find a 99-01 that cheap unless it has a blown or missing drivetrain, or was totalled.
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Old 07-25-2001, 11:06 AM   #3
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I was looking my car up in the blue book and MY00 2.5RSs with normal miles (25,000 or so) are going for about 15k. Sorry to disapoint, but I don't think you're going to find what you're looking for.
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Old 07-25-2001, 01:44 PM   #4
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I can DEFINITELY say ther eis NO way you will find one that cheap. I've been looking trust me, going price seems to be between 15 and 20k

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Old 07-25-2001, 03:03 PM   #5
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Ok ok ok. I admit that it might be difficult to find one for that price but I bet I can find one with high mileage for under 10K.
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Old 07-25-2001, 03:33 PM   #6
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I don't think so... the cheapest I've ever heard of one going for was about 12k, and that was a 98 with -REAL- high miles.
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Old 07-25-2001, 07:11 PM   #7
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I think your looking for the wrong model.... lets take a step over here. I have this nice looking L model without AWD for a excellent price... just for you only... 10K I've been hanging around dealerships too much!!
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Old 07-25-2001, 07:15 PM   #8
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Yah, you should be able to find a well used L with AWD for 8k if you look. Might only get a 2.2l but if you're going turbo that wont be a huge issue... besides 2.2l longblocks are dirt cheap if you blow something.
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Old 07-26-2001, 01:37 AM   #9
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Aren't some people swapping there EJ25 for the 2.2L? Isn't the 2.2L more suitable for going to Turbo? Need to know......thanxx

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Old 07-26-2001, 01:41 AM   #10
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You'd have to ask Aspen or Blkwgn. He is builing up an old Impreza.
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Old 07-26-2001, 02:31 AM   #11
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The 2.2l is almost certainly more suitable for turbo.
Thicker walls
I think it has lower compression than the my00 up ej25 blocks.
In any case, a 2.2l longblock can apparently be had for $600ish vs lots more for a 2.5l block.

Put it another way, for the cost difference between a L and a RS, you can afford to buy the pistons and rods you want, probably a clutch and have a good start on the turbo kit.
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Old 07-26-2001, 03:02 AM   #12
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Old 07-26-2001, 09:20 AM   #13
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midwayman, stop repeating Mike Shields' BS. The 2.2L does not have thicker cylinder walls, because all of them are open deck. All phase II motors (any displacement) do have slightly thicker walls than open-deck phase I blocks, but that's all.

the compression ratio difference isn't very significant for a NA 2.2L. (9.5:1 is still pretty high, meaning you will be building a low-boost turbo kit) if you were going to bother with a 2.2L, I'd get a legacy turbo shortblock, or if you have to buy a longblock/complete motor I'd ditch the ancient top end and use 97+ 2.2L heads. The compression you gain will be useful for a more responsive, less laggy motor.
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Old 07-26-2001, 01:17 PM   #14
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Mike Shield's BS? ummm okay. If I wanted to do that Id be screaming turbo's will blow your poor fragile open deck motor.

What does both of them being open deck have to do with wall thickness at all? They are different castings of the same engine family. Its reasonable to expect differences.

I guess Ill have to see if I can get a micrometer out and measure the relevent blocks if I can get ahold of them. At least 8 has a open ej25 sitting around. I think aspen has a ej22 I might be able to get at. I assume you've done this, or are you talking with as much authority as I?
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Old 07-26-2001, 02:57 PM   #15
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authority schmauthority. we've hijacked this thread nicely btw.

no I haven't measured the bores. and you know what, I think you're actually right *but* still disagree that this feature makes a NA 2.2L more desirable than a 2.5L for turbocharging.

I believe the phaseII SOHC motors use the same heads whether they are 2.2 or 2.5, because the difference in bore is only 2mm (97 vs 99mm), so would mean the cylinder wall is that much thicker too.

big deal! the displacement lost is going to matter a whole lot more. if you're going to loose that displacement, might as well get a legacy turbo shortblock since they have more robust internals... plus you could run more boost and that's always nice.
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Old 07-26-2001, 04:38 PM   #16
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hijack schmyjack We'll just take the post back.

Hmm. Last I checked, my 2K is worth $10.5k, but unfortunately for you, I'm not selling.
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Old 07-27-2001, 02:10 AM   #17
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phswwhhhaa. i say run the ej22 with the ej25 head and call it a day
or just build up a low compression ej25 starting out with the phase II sohc block. You really don't need a closed deck on low-moderate boosted engines, closing the deck is just another saftey feature if you will.
But then again, you could pay to have your block closed if you really wanted to..but is it worth it? IMHO nope..
and the ej22 out of the legacy turbo is the way to go for cheap turbo engine swaps. Or greg 555 can get complete sti drivetrains and cars, but be warned i shelled out what you are looking to spend on a whole car for just a version 5 drivetrain
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Old 07-27-2001, 02:27 AM   #18
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poor fragile open deck?? i hve always been curious where people get the idea that open deck is so horrible?? I have seen MANY open deck blocks be HUGE reliable horsepower builders. i 100% disagree with the falicy. Show me proof and i will believe

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Old 07-27-2001, 11:17 AM   #19
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Default Another question to ponder.......

I was in the local junk yard yesterday and there is an early 90's legacy turbo there. I can bolt a 99 or up RS Head directly on to this short block correct? Reason being, if I can get it CHEAP I might just go ahead and buy the Short Block and sit on it until I get my car. What should I expect to pay for it so I know what to expect???

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Old 07-27-2001, 01:39 PM   #20
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Well, that is Mike Shields opinion. Or was at least. I know either the ej25 or ej22 can take boost. However the main point of me suggesting a ej22 is that you can start with a L that is only 5-6k (look at my links) and have a well turboed car for less than you'd pay for just about anything with a ej25 before upgrades. Sometimes its not entirely about maxinum power, the ej25 probably would be better on a unlimited budget, but about how much power you can make for your dollar.

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poor fragile open deck?? i hve always been curious where people get the idea that open deck is so horrible?? I have seen MANY open deck blocks be HUGE reliable horsepower builders. i 100% disagree with the falicy. Show me proof and i will believe

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Old 07-27-2001, 02:52 PM   #21
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From my experience unless you are CONSTATLY running 15+ psi of boost there is no need to close a deck....Over time i am sure there will be stress fractures over time, but for the small amount of boost you can run on a stcok lower end your cylinder pressures are NOT climbing high enough to cause cylinder wall deflection. IF you really are worried about it, for the money i would just o-ring the cylinders, that would be the best way to go.

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Old 07-27-2001, 06:17 PM   #22
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So, buy the Legacy shortblock and add the sohc from an RS or no? I want to go and get my hands DIRTY From what I am gathering it sounds like a good idea........ HELP!

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