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Old 04-14-2005, 05:49 AM   #1
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Default utec gurus, please check my map :)

I've been happy with the performance so far, but I never could find the right crossover point for me... so I did this to my timing map to avoid the hic cup when driving at/near the crossover point (currently at 25% for both timing and fueling)

I just need to know whether I'm on the right track or no... thanks for the inputs

WRX stage 2
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Timing Map

250    [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]
500    [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]
750    [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]
1000   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]
1250   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]
1500   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]     [29]     [27]     [26]     [26]     [26]     [26]     [26]
1750   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]     [28]     [26]     [24]     [24]     [24]     [24]     [24]
2000   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]     [26]     [24]     [22]     [22]     [22]     [22]     [22]
2250   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]     [24]     [22]     [20]     [20]     [20]     [20]     [20]
2500   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]     [22]     [20]     [19]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]
2750   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]     [20]     [19]     [17]     [16]     [16]     [16]     [16]
3000   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]     [18]     [17]     [16]     [16]     [15]     [15]     [15]
3250   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]     [18]     [17]     [16]     [16]     [15]     [15]     [15]
3500   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]     [18]     [17]     [16]     [16]     [15]     [15]     [15]
3750   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]     [18]     [17]     [16]     [16]     [16]     [15]     [15]
4000   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]   [-100]     [18]     [18]     [17]     [17]     [17]     [16]     [16]
4250   [-100]     [20]     [20]     [20]     [19]     [19]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [17]     [16]
4500     [20]     [20]     [20]     [20]     [20]     [20]     [19]     [19]     [19]     [18]     [17]
4750     [20]     [20]     [20]     [20]     [20]     [20]     [20]     [20]     [20]     [19]     [18]
5000     [20]     [20]     [21]     [21]     [21]     [21]     [21]     [21]     [21]     [20]     [19]
5250     [20]     [20]     [21]     [21]     [22]     [22]     [22]     [21]     [21]     [20]     [20]
5500     [20]     [20]     [21]     [21]     [22]     [22]     [22]     [22]     [22]     [21]     [21]
5750     [20]     [20]     [21]     [21]     [22]     [22]     [22]     [22]     [22]     [21]     [21]
6000     [20]     [20]     [21]     [22]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [22]     [22]
6250     [20]     [21]     [22]     [22]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [22]     [22]
6500     [21]     [22]     [22]     [22]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [22]
6750     [21]     [22]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [22]
7000     [21]     [22]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]
7250     [21]     [22]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]     [23]
7500     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]
7750     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]
8000     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]
8250     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]
8500     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]
8750     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]
9000     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]     [18]
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Old 04-14-2005, 08:20 AM   #2
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Old 04-14-2005, 11:04 AM   #3
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I was under the impression that the biggest part of the hiccup is due to Air/fuel changes.

Side note: why are you transitioning at 25%? I've seen this a lot lately and I haven't seen a good reason for it. I've been doing 60% for the last two years without problems.

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Old 04-14-2005, 12:27 PM   #4
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Like slide said, upping the crossover to something like 40 50 or 60% might help the hicky problem. If ya do it, make sure to try and keep the boost low below the crossover point.

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Old 04-14-2005, 01:15 PM   #5
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I'm talking about the hic cup when you're driving through the crossover point and back... I tuned my fuel map up to 30% column using my stock sensor..

I used to have it at 20 but I keep driving on the borderline.. I logged my daily driving and found out that I usually drive either under 23tps or wot

I'll see how this new map work for a few days... I was hicup free last night
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Old 04-14-2005, 01:34 PM   #6
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Side note: why are you transitioning at 25%? I've seen this a lot lately and I haven't seen a good reason for it. I've been doing 60% for the last two years without problems.
If you have much-larger-than-stock injectors, taking control earlier will help you avoid knock that results from sending the factory ECU an artifically low MAF signal.

With OLF, I ran mine at 30% with no driveability issues on 810cc injectors. I think most of what you "feel" is timing related, unless your AFRs at the crossover are *way* out of wack.
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Old 04-14-2005, 02:46 PM   #7
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He's stage 2 though.... Feiron. Imagine that you get the hesitation from running hard throttle fueling and going back to part throttle fueling while you're just cruising around. With the 25% tps threashold it happens a lot because you go to something like 30% tps, then when the boost starts kickin in and the car starts accelerating faster ya try to let off the gas a little so maintain the same acceleration. If ya change the tps threashold to something like 50%, you won't go to hard throttle fueling while cruising around and the hesitation will at the least happen a lot less often. Chances are that you will never even notice it at something like 50% tps because when you're going down through that tps range, you're usually trying to slow down and not just trying not to accelerate faster.

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Old 04-14-2005, 02:47 PM   #8
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FWIW, i transition at 20%
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Old 04-14-2005, 02:51 PM   #9
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That doesn't say much. With wrx's that have stock turbos, it's easier to have higher crossover points because the turbo can actually hold low boost. When ya have something like a stock sti turbo(ihi) or bigger that can't hold boost as low as a stock wrx turbo, it's more necessary to have a lower tps threashold to try and avoid ptfb.

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Old 04-14-2005, 03:07 PM   #10
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the hesitation I've had was timing related... seemed like I had shaky feet ... my tps would go up to 21 and drop to 20 and 19 and 21 and 20 when I had the crossover at 20%

here's my log of today's daily driving

Code:

     DATA1

                    Load Knock                     Mod   Mod         Mod
 RPM   MAP  MAF TPS Site Count  AFR  Ign#1  Inj#1  Ign   Fuel Boost  MAF
       psia  V   %                    deg   duty   deg    %   (CL)    V 
 2350  -6.7 2.1   7  00    00   13.5 +36.7    9.6 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.1
 3214  -7.3 2.3  10  00    00   13.4 +35.3   11.1 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.4
 3300  -7.1 2.4  11  00    00   13.6 +35.3   10.9 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.4
 3436  -6.5 2.4  11  00    00   13.6 +35.2   11.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.4
 3580  -6.5 2.5  12  00    00   13.3 +34.8   14.6 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.5
 3762  -6.1 2.6  13  00    00   13.3 +35.8   16.7 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.6
 3963  -5.9 2.6  14  00    00   13.4 +35.3   19.3 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.7
 4171  -5.3 2.8  16  00    00   13.6 +31.2   21.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.9
 4357  -4.5 2.9  17  00    00   14.6 +32.0   22.2 ECU.   +0.3 ECU.   3.0
 4559  -3.8 3.0  17  00    00   12.3 +31.7   28.9 +20.0  +0.6 ECU.   2.7
 4177  -4.7 2.9   0  00    00   13.1  +8.9   20.7 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.8
 3926  -6.7 2.6   0  00    00   rich  +9.0   21.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.6
 3561  -8.9 2.4   0  00    00   23.4  +9.0   21.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.4
 3293 -11.2 2.2   0  00    00   23.7 +11.5   21.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.1
 3022 -11.8 2.3   9  00    00   23.7 +19.6   12.6 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.3
 3186 -11.0 2.3   9  00    00   rich +26.2    9.2 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.3
 2944 -10.0 2.3   9  00    00   14.3 +35.4   10.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.3
 2973  -8.7 2.3   9  00    00   13.8 +34.9   11.9 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.3
 3030  -7.7 2.3  11  00    00   13.5 +34.5   11.9 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.4
 3072  -7.1 2.5  15  00    00   13.5 +32.8   14.9 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.6
 3186  -5.9 2.7  18  00    00   13.9 +31.7   16.2 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.7
 3280  -4.3 2.8  19  00    00   14.1 +31.3   18.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.8
 3394  -2.6 2.9  20  00    00   14.3 +30.6   18.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.9
 3519  -1.0 3.0  20  00    00   14.8 +28.6   22.9 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   3.0
 3642  +0.0 3.1  22  00    00   14.6 +26.7   24.8 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   3.1
 3766  +1.1 3.1  22  00    00   14.8 +26.0   27.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   3.2
 3885  +2.1 3.2  22  00    00   14.4 +26.0   25.8 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   3.2
 4045  +2.7 3.2  22  00    00   14.8 +26.0   28.7 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   3.2
 4125  +3.1 3.2  23  00    00   14.5 +25.3   29.1 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   3.3
 4268  +3.1 3.3  22  00    00   14.6 +23.4   30.6 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   3.3
 4450  +2.9 3.3  23  00    00   rich +22.1   38.7 ECU.   +0.4 ECU.   3.4
 4547  +2.5 3.3  23  00    00   rich +20.9   44.2 +20.0  +0.6 ECU.   3.4
 4668  +2.3 3.4  24  00    00   rich +20.7   44.7 +20.0  +0.6 ECU.   3.4
 4830  +2.1 3.4  24  00    00   rich +21.5   50.8 +20.0  +0.6 ECU.   3.5
 4901  +1.7 3.3   9  00    00   rich +36.8    9.0 +20.0  +0.6 ECU.   3.1
 4559  -1.2 3.0   0  00    00   13.3  +8.7   27.3 ECU.   +0.6 ECU.   2.9
 4198  -4.0 2.7   0  00    00   rich  +8.8   17.7 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.6
 3903  -7.3 2.5   0  00    00   20.1  +8.9   17.7 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.4
 3588 -10.0 2.3   0  00    00   23.7  +9.0   17.7 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.3
 3584 -10.0 2.4  10  00    00   22.7 +26.3   12.8 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.4
 3454  -9.4 2.4  11  00    00   14.9 +35.4   14.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.4
 3457  -7.9 2.7  17  00    00   14.7 +32.9   17.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.7
 3531  -5.9 2.8  17  00    00   12.7 +31.8   18.1 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.8
 3527  -3.8 2.8  17  00    00   13.2 +31.5   19.9 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.8
 3572  -2.6 2.9  17  00    00   13.3 +31.4   20.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.9
 3611  -1.6 2.9  17  00    00   13.9 +31.3   20.6 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.9
 3703  -1.2 2.9  17  00    00   14.7 +29.6   22.5 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   3.0
 3728  -0.8 3.0  18  00    00   14.4 +29.2   21.7 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   3.0
 3728  -0.2 3.0  18  00    00   14.6 +29.2   24.3 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   3.0
 3792  +0.4 3.0  18  00    00   14.7 +29.1   22.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   3.0
 3844  +0.8 3.0  17  00    00   14.4 +29.5   24.7 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   3.0
 3858  +1.1 3.0  17  00    00   14.5 +29.6   22.7 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   3.0
 3898  +0.8 2.8   7  00    00   14.0 +32.5   17.8 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.6
 3968  -2.0 2.8   0  00    00   rich +23.8   14.8 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.7
 3930  -5.3 2.6   0  00    00   20.6 +17.6   14.8 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.5
 3885  -8.5 2.4   0  00    00   23.7  +8.9   14.8 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.3
 1151  -8.5 1.5   1  00    00   14.7 +25.3    3.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   1.5
 1151  -8.5 1.5   1  00    00   14.7 +25.4    3.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   1.6
 1143  -8.3 1.9   7  00    00   14.4 +25.3    5.9 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   1.9
 1334  -7.5 1.9   7  00    00   rich +19.3    4.9 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   1.9
 1538  -6.5 2.0   7  00    00   14.5 +25.9    6.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.0
 1665  -5.7 2.0   6  00    00   14.1 +29.8    6.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.0
 1657  -5.1 2.0   8  00    00   14.1 +29.9    7.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.0
 1586  -5.1 2.0   7  00    00   13.5 +29.2    6.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.0
 1526  -5.1 2.0   8  00    00   13.7 +27.9    6.3 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.0
 1675  -4.9 2.0   7  00    00   13.3 +28.0    6.7 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.1
 1812  -4.7 2.1  10  00    00   13.8 +30.1    7.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.1
 2021  -4.3 2.3  12  00    00   13.5 +32.5   10.2 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.3
 2222  -3.8 2.3  13  00    00   13.3 +32.3   11.5 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.3
 2427  -3.4 2.4  13  00    00   13.4 +32.5   12.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.4
 2630  -3.0 2.5  14  00    00   13.5 +32.5   13.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.5
 2824  -3.0 2.6  16  00    00   13.5 +32.7   15.8 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.6
 3092  -2.6 2.7  17  00    00   12.9 +31.6   18.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.7
 3303  -2.0 2.8  19  00    00   13.1 +30.5   19.2 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.9
 3615  -1.4 3.0  21  00    00   13.5 +28.9   22.6 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   3.0
 3858  -0.4 3.1  22  00    00   13.6 +27.1   28.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   3.1
 4219  +0.6 3.2  22  00    00   13.8 +25.6   29.6 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   3.2
 4504  +1.5 3.3  22  00    00   13.8 +22.9   39.9 +20.0  +0.6 ECU.   3.3
 4161  +0.2 2.9   0  00    00   12.9  +8.8   20.6 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.9
 3813  -2.4 2.7   0  00    00   12.9  +8.9   16.8 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.6
 3568  -5.7 2.5   0  00    00   12.9  +9.1   16.8 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.4
 3306  -8.9 2.3   0  00    00   23.7  +9.2   16.8 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.2
 3016 -10.6 2.1   0  00    00   23.4 +13.3   19.9 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.2
 3055 -10.6 2.3  11  00    00   rich +19.6   10.3 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.3
 2949  -9.6 2.4  13  00    00   14.6 +33.6   11.3 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.4
 2662  -7.9 2.5  14  00    00   13.3 +33.5   12.2 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.5
 2796  -5.9 2.6  17  00    00   14.2 +32.5   15.1 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.6
 2876  -3.8 2.8  22  00    00   13.9 +29.4   19.7 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.8
 2981  -2.4 2.8  22  00    00   13.4 +26.9   20.2 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.9
 3080  -0.8 2.9  24  00    00   13.4 +24.7   22.2 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   3.0
 3236  +0.8 3.1  26  20    00   13.3 +22.9   28.3 ECU.   -1.3 ECU.   3.0
 3360  +2.3 3.2  28  30    00   rich +21.7   32.5 ECU.   -1.2 ECU.   3.1
 3494  +3.7 3.2  29  30    00   rich +22.5   33.4 ECU.   -1.2 ECU.   3.1
 3658  +4.7 3.2  29  30    00   rich +22.9   35.1 ECU.   -1.2 ECU.   3.2
 3783  +5.5 3.3  31  30    00   rich +21.0   41.1 ECU.   -1.0 ECU.   3.3
 3987  +6.4 3.5  42  40    00   rich +17.5   52.7 +18.0  +0.4 223.00 3.6
 4198  +7.6 3.6  42  50    00   rich +15.1   59.3 +18.4  +0.8 227.00 3.6
 4329  +9.0 3.6  42  60    00   rich +14.5   65.9 +18.1  +1.5 227.00 3.8
 4450 +10.0 3.7  42  60    00   rich +14.3   69.7 +18.8  +1.5 227.00 3.8
 4610 +10.4 3.8  42  60    00   rich +15.7   74.6 +19.8  +1.2 227.00 3.8
 4844 +10.0 3.8  42  50    00   rich +17.9   78.0 +20.2  +0.5 226.00 3.8
 4830  +9.4 3.7  13  00    00   rich +28.0   36.8 +20.0  +0.6 226.00 3.3
 4420  +4.7 3.1   0  00    00   rich  +8.8   32.4 ECU.   +0.3 ECU.   3.0
 4130  +0.0 2.8   0  00    00   14.9  +8.9   32.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.7
 3858  -4.7 2.5   0  00    00   24.0  +9.0   32.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.4
 3538  -9.1 2.3   0  00    00   24.0  +9.2   32.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.3
 3631  -8.9 2.6  15  00    00   23.7  +6.9   13.6 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.8
 3465  -7.3 2.8  15  00    00   15.0 +31.8   19.8 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.8
 3531  -5.1 2.9  20  00    00   14.4 +31.0   22.7 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   3.0
 3627  -2.4 3.0  23  00    00   13.6 +27.5   26.3 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   3.1
 3615  +0.2 3.3  32  20    00   12.7 +22.9   36.9 ECU.   -1.3 ECU.   3.2
 3724  +2.9 3.4  34  30    00   rich +18.2   43.8 ECU.   -1.2 219.00 3.4
 3762  +5.3 3.5  34  50    00   rich +15.3   48.6 +17.2  +1.2 219.00 3.5
 3894  +7.8 3.5  34  60    00   rich +15.6   50.2 +16.4  +2.1 219.00 3.6
 3958  +9.0 3.5  34  50    00   rich +16.5   49.0 +17.8  +0.9 219.00 3.5
 4006  +9.4 3.5  33  50    00   rich +16.5   54.0 +18.2  +0.8 219.00 3.5
 4030  +7.0 3.1   0  00    00   rich +21.2   11.1 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   3.0
 3954  +2.5 2.9   0  00    00   13.8 +16.2   11.1 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.8
 3615  -2.0 2.6   0  00    00   lean  +9.1   11.1 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.5
 3373  -6.3 2.3   0  00    00   24.0  +9.2   11.1 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.2
 3115  -8.7 2.1   0  00    00   24.2 +11.5   11.1 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.1
 2856  -8.9 2.0   0  00    00   24.0 +11.6   11.1 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.0
 2748  -9.4 2.0   0  00    00   23.7 +11.6   11.1 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   1.9
 3033 -11.6 2.0   0  00    00   rich +11.6    8.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.0
 3024 -12.0 2.0   0  00    00   rich +11.4    8.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.0
 3011 -12.6 2.0   0  00    00   17.3 +11.4    8.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.0
 3072 -12.6 2.1   6  00    00   24.5 +27.8    9.5 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.2
 3063 -11.2 2.5  15  00    00   13.8 +17.9    4.0 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.6
 3115  -8.5 2.7  22  00    00   13.5 +31.7   17.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.7
 3089  -5.5 2.8  23  00    00   13.7 +29.4   19.1 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.9
 3177  -2.2 3.0  26  10    00   13.5 +25.4   28.4 ECU.   -1.3 ECU.   3.0
 3220  +0.4 3.1  30  20    00   rich +22.7   30.6 ECU.   -1.3 ECU.   3.1
 3284  +2.7 3.2  30  30    00   rich +19.0   34.9 ECU.   -1.2 215.00 3.3
 3360  +5.3 3.3  30  50    00   rich +15.4   43.0 +17.0  +1.3 215.00 3.4
 3408  +7.6 3.3  32  60    00   rich +14.8   41.3 +16.0  +2.2 217.00 3.4
 3461  +9.2 3.4  33  60    00   rich +14.9   45.8 +16.0  +2.2 218.00 3.4
 3599  +9.8 3.4  33  50    00   rich +14.9   49.6 +17.0  +1.3 217.00 3.4
 3658  +9.8 3.4  34  50    00   rich +14.9   47.4 +17.0  +1.3 218.00 3.5
 3757  +9.4 3.5  34  50    00   rich +14.6   49.9 +17.0  +1.2 219.00 3.5
 3822  +9.4 3.5  36  60    00   rich +15.2   50.2 +16.3  +2.1 220.00 3.6
 3889  +9.8 3.5  36  60    00   rich +15.0   53.5 +16.6  +2.1 220.00 3.6
 3968 +10.2 3.5  36  60    00   rich +15.6   54.0 +17.0  +1.7 221.00 3.6
 4040 +10.0 3.6  36  50    00   rich +16.0   57.2 +18.1  +0.8 221.00 3.6
 4110 +10.0 3.6  36  50    00   rich +15.9   59.0 +18.6  +0.8 221.00 3.6
 4224  +9.8 3.6  36  60    00   rich +16.3   61.7 +17.8  +1.7 221.00 3.7
 4295 +10.0 3.7  36  60    00   rich +15.3   66.0 +18.1  +1.6 221.00 3.7
 4380 +10.0 3.7  36  60    00   rich +15.2   67.5 +18.4  +1.5 220.00 3.7
 4432 +10.0 3.7  36  50    00   rich +15.8   65.5 +19.7  +0.8 220.00 3.7
 4301  +8.8 3.1   1  00    00   rich +31.0   30.3 ECU.   +0.1 220.00 3.1
 4426  +4.1 3.0   0  00    00   rich  +8.6   28.5 ECU.   +0.2 ECU.   3.0
 2362  -8.3 2.3  12  00    00   14.5 +36.2   10.2 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.3
 2354  -7.3 2.3  12  00    00   13.9 +34.4   11.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.3
 2424  -5.7 2.5  17  00    00   13.8 +30.4   13.9 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.5
 2517  -3.8 2.6  21  00    00   13.4 +29.1   15.1 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.7
 2616  -2.2 2.7  23  00    00   13.8 +26.7   16.8 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.7
 2754  -0.8 2.9  28  10    00   14.5 +23.7   21.5 ECU.   -1.3 ECU.   2.8
 2836  +1.1 3.0  28  20    00   rich +21.3   26.5 ECU.   -1.3 ECU.   3.0
 2968  +2.7 3.1  29  30    00   rich +19.5   28.9 ECU.   -1.2 ECU.   3.0
 3095  +4.1 3.1  30  30    00   rich +18.4   30.3 ECU.   -1.2 215.00 3.1
 3258  +5.5 3.3  30  40    00   rich +16.8   36.6 +18.0  +0.4 215.00 3.2
 3422  +6.8 3.3  30  40    00   rich +16.1   40.1 +18.0  +0.4 215.00 3.3
 3568  +7.8 3.3  30  50    00   rich +15.0   46.6 +17.0  +1.3 215.00 3.4
 3720  +8.4 3.4  31  50    00   rich +15.4   47.9 +17.1  +1.2 216.00 3.5
 3907  +9.0 3.5  32  50    00   rich +16.0   48.3 +17.5  +1.0 217.00 3.5
 4035  +9.2 3.5  31  50    00   rich +16.5   56.0 +18.2  +0.8 216.00 3.5
 4208  +9.4 3.6  32  50    00   rich +15.8   57.4 +18.9  +0.8 217.00 3.6
 4351  +9.0 3.6  33  50    00   rich +16.8   63.4 +19.6  +0.8 218.00 3.7
 4559  +9.2 3.7  34  50    00   rich +17.0   66.0 +20.0  +0.7 219.00 3.8
 4755  +8.6 3.8  36  50    00   rich +18.0   70.6 +20.0  +0.6 221.00 3.8
 4945  +8.4 3.8  36  50    00   rich +19.4   72.8 +20.5  +0.2 221.00 3.9
 5042  +8.6 3.8  36  50    00   rich +19.6   74.9 +21.5  +0.1 221.00 3.9
 5232  +8.8 3.9  36  50    00   rich +21.8   77.0 +21.8  -0.2 221.00 3.7
 4816  +5.7 3.2   0  00    00   12.1  +8.7    4.4 +20.0  +0.6 ECU.   3.2
 4510  +1.3 3.0   0  00    00   rich  +8.8    4.4 ECU.   +0.4 ECU.   2.9
 4224  -3.2 2.7   0  00    00   lean  +8.9    4.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.6
 3871  -8.3 2.4   0  00    00   24.2  +9.0    4.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.4
 4016  -8.7 2.9  20  00    00   12.7 +26.9   19.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   3.0
 3627  -6.9 3.0  21  00    00   14.1 +28.9   23.4 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   3.0
 3827  -3.8 3.2  26  10    00   12.9 +25.3   34.5 ECU.   -1.1 ECU.   3.2
 3766  -0.2 3.3  30  30    00   rich +22.2   38.6 ECU.   -0.7 ECU.   3.3
 3875  +3.1 3.4  33  30    00   rich +19.7   45.3 ECU.   -0.8 218.00 3.4
 3968  +5.9 3.6  36  50    00   rich +16.0   54.4 +17.9  +0.9 221.00 3.6
 4045  +7.8 3.5  36  60    00   rich +15.8   58.1 +17.0  +1.7 221.00 3.6
 4050  +9.4 3.5  36  60    00   rich +15.3   57.7 +17.2  +1.9 221.00 3.6
 4135 +10.2 3.5  36  60    00   rich +16.1   58.1 +17.5  +1.9 220.00 3.6
 4198 +10.0 3.6  34  50    00   rich +16.4   59.5 +19.0  +0.8 219.00 3.6
 4290  +9.8 3.6  34  50    00   rich +17.0   64.4 +19.3  +0.8 219.00 3.6
 4257  +7.2 3.1   0  00    00   rich  +8.6   25.8 ECU.   +0.2 ECU.   3.1
 4203  +2.7 3.0   0  00    00   rich  +8.8   25.8 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.9
 4203  -1.8 2.7   0  00    00   lean  +8.8   25.8 ECU.   +0.0 ECU.   2.6
my ignition advance multiplier is low, I had knocks last night ... temperature dropped to 2 degrees (celcius)... boost was right at 1.1 at 4th... stage 2 base fuel map.. but the CEL just blinked right after shifting to 4th and going on wot... didnt record a log though...
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Sounds like shift knock, I gotta reccomend the guide here:
http://www.wrxhackers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2498

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Also I'd do some SERIOUS work on that timing map, overall it's quite poor

Hippy: I make it a general rule to take the time to setup transitions in the 20-25% range. They work fine, even on long term use, just a matter of mapping the transition nuances to the individual driver and their habits.

That way you can run part throttle full boost, and reap the benefits of a fatter, midrange, etc.

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Old 04-14-2005, 04:14 PM   #13
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Sounds like shift knock, I gotta reccomend the guide here:
http://www.wrxhackers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2498

Tom
I've been through the tuning guide many times ... I was trying to have 21 at 0% ... guess it didnt work ... now I lock it down to 20
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Old 04-14-2005, 04:16 PM   #14
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Also I'd do some SERIOUS work on that timing map, overall it's quite poor

Hippy: I make it a general rule to take the time to setup transitions in the 20-25% range. They work fine, even on long term use, just a matter of mapping the transition nuances to the individual driver and their habits.

That way you can run part throttle full boost, and reap the benefits of a fatter, midrange, etc.

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please let me know how its poor .... not enough advance? or too advance at the mid rpm range?
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It's not normal to have lower timing values in lower load sites compared to higher ones at a given rpm.

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should it be something like this

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or this one
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Timing Map
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That might depend on who you ask. I don't think it would be so bad to have the ecu control timing in low rpm low load sites. Course if the ecu detects knock in higher rpm areas, the ecu might retard timing all around(and hurt low end hard throttle performance).

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that make sense ... so I guess I'd be best to up my crossover point to 40% (should I up the OLF crossover point too?) and leave the ECU control the 0% only
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Or 50, or 60. Make sure to keep the boost low below the crossover to avoid ptfb.

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this leads to another question.. say at a given rpm at 100% tps, my boost map value is 300..at 50% tps should my boost map value be 150?
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feiron, compare your timing map to the TXS stage 2 map...

You will notice how the timing map is parabolic. High timing at very low rpm (no boost), lowest timing to increase EGT and build boost, increasingly higher timing as rpm's rise.
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this leads to another question.. say at a given rpm at 100% tps, my boost map value is 300..at 50% tps should my boost map value be 150?
Sorry that I haven't responded to the given question, I've had to move...... Anywhoo, as long as you're above the tps threashold, you wan have the utec target max boost. Below that, it would be good to keep the boost as low as possible. I'd put something like 1 in the map in those areas(below the crossover point) instead of 300. You can leave ecu in the lower rpm ranges(like 500-2000rpm in the 0% column) to avoid having the boost control solenoid from making noise while the car is idling and what not.

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It's not normal to have lower timing values in lower load sites compared to higher ones at a given rpm.

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im sorry, but when rpms increase, so must ignition advance to compensate for the quicker burn? Am I wrong about this, doesn't Jorge have a written explanation from Nathan himself saying this?

And FWIW, my OLF transition was easily taken care of by smoothing the timing transition.

I did still have some afr problems where the ECU was fighting the UTEC's value which could be seen on the LM-1, but this was only during Part throttle/idle (i.e. motoring around)
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I said nothing about when rpms rise. I said at a given rpm, ya generally have the same or lower timing values as the boost increase, not higher ones. He had low timing values at low boost compared to higher boost in a given rpm range. Also, the timing does not have to increase as the rpms go up even though it's common practice(not that the timing shouldn't be more advanced at higher rpms). There're many things which dictate what the timing should be other then rpm. Fwiw, most peoples olf transition problems have had nothing to do with timing. As always, this is just from what I've experienced and read, and I'm no expert.

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I said nothing about when rpms rise. I said at a given rpm, ya generally have the same or lower timing values as the boost increase, not higher ones. He had low timing values at low boost compared to higher boost in a given rpm range. Also, the timing does not have to increase as the rpms go up even though it's common practice(not that the timing shouldn't be more advanced at higher rpms). There're many things which dictate what the timing should be other then rpm. Fwiw, most peoples olf transition problems have had nothing to do with timing. As always, this is just from what I've experienced and read, and I'm no expert.

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Right...some of what you said I agree with, some I dont. I'll chalk it up to a misunderstanding on my part then.
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