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Old 04-14-2005, 12:25 AM   #1
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i currently have a stage 2 ecutech car with everybolt on accept a turbo upgrade, intercooler and fuel mods. i recent just finished another car and i'm thinking of parking the subie for a while and pulling the motor. i was wondering if i got a 2.2L stroker kit and did some headwork plus adding a P&P vf22, fuel mods, new TMIC and another reflash. would this combo pull like the stock turbo set up just a whole hell of alot stronger? i'm not looking for super high HP numbers or crasy boost, just a good set up for down low power and midrange with a little top end. i'm also thinking of throwing in a gearset too. any thoughts? or has anyone does this yet?
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Old 04-15-2005, 12:30 AM   #2
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Old 04-15-2005, 01:04 AM   #3
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A Stock 2.5 will be cheaper to do, make more power down low, and make more power up top, and make way more torque everywhere. The STi crank is better than any crank you will find. Well perhaps the JUN 2K crank is as good but the Cobb or Crawford $200 cranks are no where as nice. You can however do a Crawford crank for a few hundred in youy EJ205 and get 2.11L though. That is a chep way to do it.

If you want to pull stonger add a biggwer turbo or 20% more displacement or both. I make 200whp within 1000 rpm. It is 2.0 but the turbo is larger and I have AVCS.
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Old 04-15-2005, 01:57 AM   #4
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You can however do a Crawford crank for a few hundred in youy EJ205 and get 2.11L though.
that sounds pretty cool i dont see it on his websight though.
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Old 04-15-2005, 02:14 AM   #5
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YA it is not. Call him for it. Like $125 too if I remember right. He can confirm.
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Old 04-15-2005, 11:44 AM   #6
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that sounds pretty cool i dont see it on his websight though.
Look under the "Products" tab, then "Specials". You will find them listed at $99

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Old 04-15-2005, 12:49 PM   #7
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this is the kit i'm talking about. http://cobbtuning.com/wrx/engine-diykits.html
but if anyone knows a better way let me know. i like the fact that it's fully forged all the way.
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Old 04-15-2005, 12:49 PM   #8
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Quirt is the man. Sure wish they would make a fully balanced 8500 rpm 2.2 stroker kit.
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Old 04-15-2005, 01:38 PM   #9
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Let me make sure I'm losing my mind........I can drop in that crank (which costs $100) and go to a 2.11L just like that? Nothing else needs to be changed?

I mean, I'm doing plenty of other mods right now....but I can bump displacement by 100cc simply by dropping in a $100 part?

I'm not a mechanic, as you can tell, but that sounds liek a pretty decent option to increase displacement by 5%. Always helps spooling right?
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Old 04-15-2005, 02:13 PM   #10
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I would imagine pistons are required, and bearings. Cobbs price is $18xx.xx. Based on the price for Crawford's crank, plus about $500 for pistons, and say another $500+ for bearings and gaskets and everything else Im not thinking of like machine work, a setup from Crawford would be pretty reasonable. I wonder how much the added stroke hurts the ability to rev high?
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Old 04-15-2005, 02:21 PM   #11
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I would imagine pistons are required, and bearings. Cobbs price is $18xx.xx. Based on the price for Crawford's crank, plus about $500 for pistons, and say another $500+ for bearings and gaskets and everything else Im not thinking of like machine work, a setup from Crawford would be pretty reasonable. I wonder how much the added stroke hurts the ability to rev high?
Yeah, that's what I meant. I was under the impressions that you did a number of things at one time when you increased the displacement.....but....well.....what do you HAVE to do for just a longer stroke? Just rods and the crank?
Someone educate me, I'm a moron.....as if that wasn't evident already.
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Old 04-15-2005, 02:25 PM   #12
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I dont know if you could get away with just the crank, it might f up the quench area, or even make the piston hit a valve or two (maybe a head gasket could fix that), but doing the crank and rods would be pointless since the pistons are the weak point. I would do crank and pistons, and rods if you can afford it.

disclaimer - i am not an expert listen to what quirt and those guys have to say.

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Old 04-15-2005, 02:26 PM   #13
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You can however do a Crawford crank for a few hundred in youy EJ205 and get 2.11L though.
What's the compression ratio change for this?

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Old 04-15-2005, 02:42 PM   #14
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bump. for more info on my cheap set up
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Old 04-15-2005, 02:51 PM   #15
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If you're looking for low and mid-range power......and want it, for some strange reason from a 4-cyclinder, the cheapest way to get there is to start with the 2.5L. Find a junked Forester or something.
If you're all about low-end you might want to think big displacement......like V-8.
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Old 04-15-2005, 03:04 PM   #16
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i currently have a stage 2 ecutech car with everybolt on accept a turbo upgrade, intercooler and fuel mods. i recent just finished another car and i'm thinking of parking the subie for a while and pulling the motor. i was wondering if i got a 2.2L stroker kit and did some headwork plus adding a P&P vf22, fuel mods, new TMIC and another reflash. would this combo pull like the stock turbo set up just a whole hell of alot stronger? i'm not looking for super high HP numbers or crasy boost, just a good set up for down low power and midrange with a little top end. i'm also thinking of throwing in a gearset too. any thoughts? or has anyone does this yet?
http://www.projectwrx.com/modules.ph...howpage&pid=24 <--- the stroker project worked great, IMO... I'd just swap out the pistons with anything BUT JE's...

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Old 04-17-2005, 06:23 PM   #17
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well this is what i thought of over the weekend. i could still get the turbo kit for 1125$ from gruppe-s (vf22, sti pinks, and a walbro). then buy the crank from crawford for 99$, and then a set of CP pistons .20 over for 420$. then top it off with some eagle rods for $360. all the work will be done at my school as a project while i'm in my high proformance class at school, so it basicly free . does anyone think this sounds like a good combo?
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Old 04-18-2005, 01:03 AM   #19
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Old 04-18-2005, 01:26 AM   #20
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I would skip the rods and mod your injectors and get a 20g or green. vf22s are for stock motors
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Old 04-18-2005, 01:26 AM   #21
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what about management? will the stock cpu work with a 2.2l stroke? will an aftermarket piggyback set up for a 2.0 run a 2.2 stroke well enought to drive it to a tune without damage?
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People are running 2.5 swaps with wrx ecus so it will be fine. His em appears to be ecutek.
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I would skip the rods and mod your injectors and get a 20g or green. vf22s are for stock motors
see i thought about that too, but i don't want that much lag. i like my set up now with the stock turbo P&P with all my mods and tunning because it's instant power whenever i push the pedal. i want to capture that again with this project, just on a much larger scale.
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