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Old 08-27-2014, 11:30 AM   #1
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Old 08-27-2014, 12:40 PM   #2
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The WRX would have a larger margin if they dropped the dumb subjective "Fun to Drive in <X>" categories. Fastest track time, high practicality and comfort, mid range price and fuel econ.
They could have stopped the test at Track Time, though, since this is a "shootout".

Like I've said, wrx best bang per buck under 30k.
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Old 08-27-2014, 01:25 PM   #3
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...for 13 years. Some MORE bang than others. lol
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Old 08-27-2014, 02:40 PM   #4
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The WRX would have a larger margin if they dropped the dumb subjective "Fun to Drive in <X>" categories. Fastest track time, high practicality and comfort, mid range price and fuel econ.
They could have stopped the test at Track Time, though, since this is a "shootout".

Like I've said, wrx best bang per buck under 30k.
It's a larger margin over another Subaru (realistically) Basically a 1/2 finish for Subaru. We live in good times to be car enthusiasts.
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Old 08-27-2014, 04:37 PM   #5
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GTI with or without PP?

EDIT: looks like they tested the GTI without PP on AS rubber.
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Old 08-27-2014, 05:26 PM   #6
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It's a larger margin over another Subaru (realistically) Basically a 1/2 finish for Subaru. We live in good times to be car enthusiasts.
No doubt. I can't think of a better time ever. So many good cars available to the masses right now.
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Old 08-27-2014, 05:48 PM   #7
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No surprise the WRX won
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Old 08-27-2014, 05:50 PM   #8
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No doubt. I can't think of a better time ever. So many good cars available to the masses right now.
Who you calling a peasant?
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Old 08-27-2014, 05:56 PM   #9
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No doubt. I can't think of a better time ever. So many good cars available to the masses right now.
Ehhh.. I think the 90's were better. Integras, Eclipses, 240sx, Preludes, Supras, plus lots more.
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Old 08-27-2014, 05:58 PM   #10
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The WRX would have a larger margin if they dropped the dumb subjective "Fun to Drive in <X>" categories. Fastest track time, high practicality and comfort, mid range price and fuel econ.
They could have stopped the test at Track Time, though, since this is a "shootout".

Like I've said, wrx best bang per buck under 30k.
They even admitted at the end that they didn't really factor in the advantages of AWD. Yeah, WRX would have a won by a larger margin.

Still, I have a friend who is getting an FRS. I can't say it's a bad choice.
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Old 08-28-2014, 12:16 AM   #11
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If Subaru made a WRX wagon again, it would be the ultimate under $30K car.
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Old 08-28-2014, 01:15 AM   #12
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Thats the best top 3 I've seen in a shootout like that. The FiST and 2015 WRX weren't availible when I bought my BRZ, and it would have my my decision much MUCH more difficult if they were!
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Old 08-28-2014, 02:14 AM   #13
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Probably the only car to give a WRX a run for its money in the past 10 years in an under 30 shootout would have been the turbo Cobalt SS. It was a track monster.
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Old 08-28-2014, 03:25 AM   #14
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Probably the only car to give a WRX a run for its money in the past 10 years in an under 30 shootout would have been the turbo Cobalt SS. It was a track monster.
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Old 08-28-2014, 06:30 AM   #15
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The SS comment made me laugh.
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Old 08-28-2014, 07:14 AM   #16
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I think the bigger issue here is that a fiesta ST came in third place. Why no Mustang or Camaro? v6 and turbo 4 models are sub 30k, and frankly would have walked all over everything except the wrx, and certainly given the wrx some competition, also no genesis coupe or 370z? both start under 30k, again would have destroyed the competition... no this comparison is rife with issues. This comparison and resulting article could not have been intended to be informative or of value.

This article taught me one thing, that Mazda no longer makes the mazdaspeed 3.
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Old 08-28-2014, 07:25 AM   #17
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Well, it will make it, there is a thread about it here lol

ALLLLL car reviews nowadays have silly comparo's where they 'define' a 'car segment'.
I hear you, all the mustangs and camaros should/could have been included.
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Old 08-28-2014, 12:03 PM   #18
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Laugh all you want, the Cobalt SS is actually a pretty well sorted car. At one time it held the lap record around the ring for a small sedan. Bonus points, they are currently dirt cheap and the sedans are complete sleepers. Downsides, it has an interior that was designed and produced at the peak of GM's cheapness.
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Old 08-28-2014, 12:16 PM   #19
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Thats the best top 3 I've seen in a shootout like that. The FiST and 2015 WRX weren't availible when I bought my BRZ, and it would have my my decision much MUCH more difficult if they were!
That's just not right......

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Laugh all you want, the Cobalt SS is actually a pretty well sorted car. At one time it held the lap record around the ring for a small sedan. Bonus points, they are currently dirt cheap and the sedans are complete sleepers. Downsides, it has an interior that was designed and produced at the peak of GM's cheapness.
Didn't Car and Driver say that the SS was 6 seconds faster around their Lightning Lap than the STI? Not down playing the SS at all. It's just not 6 seconds faster.
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Old 08-28-2014, 09:08 PM   #20
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The Cobalt SS was fast because it was setup by John Heinricy. He worked for GM for a while and participated in NASA/SCCA events. In other words, he is a road racer. He was responsible for the CTS-V setting records at the Nurburgring, and basically most of the cool stuff to come from GM in the last 15 years or so.

...And I vaguely remember hearing that he was working for Subaru now. IF that rumor was true, I'd put him behind the BRZ project. But it's speculation at that point.
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Old 08-29-2014, 01:51 PM   #21
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Ehhh.. I think the 90's were better. Integras, Eclipses, 240sx, Preludes, Supras, plus lots more.
I'm not ready to say better, but also really good. I would also limit to...say.. 90-95ish.

My list would be:
MR2, 240SX, RX7 (only <30K in the early 90s), 5.0 Mustang (for the time), Sentra SER, Miata, Mx-3/6/Probe, Colt/Mirage Turbo, Corrado VR6, and many rare/special versions of 'normal' cars (Legacy SS, Spirit R/T, Tbird S/C for examples)

OBD2 and the japanese economy conspired to killed most of the fun until recently. (with a few exceptions, of course - '02+ WRX, EVO, Mazdaspeeds)

Todays cars have higher limits, come with warrantees, have emerging (and sometimes risky) mod markets, and cost $20K-$30K.

90s cars have well defined, well knowledged mod markets, cost fractions of new, don't come with a warrantee, but are just as much fun to drive as newer cars.

6 of one, half a dozen for the other. I enjoy them both.
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Old 09-22-2014, 05:51 AM   #22
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Laugh all you want, the Cobalt SS is actually a pretty well sorted car. At one time it held the lap record around the ring for a small sedan. Bonus points, they are currently dirt cheap and the sedans are complete sleepers. Downsides, it has an interior that was designed and produced at the peak of GM's MODERN cheapness.
yew never drove a vega or one of those old late '70's/early 80's GM....things
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Old 09-22-2014, 05:57 AM   #23
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I'm not ready to say better, but also really good. I would also limit to...say.. 90-95ish.

My list would be:
MR2, 240SX, RX7 (only <30K in the early 90s), 5.0 Mustang (for the time), Sentra SER, Miata, Mx-3/6/Probe, Colt/Mirage Turbo, Corrado VR6, and many rare/special versions of 'normal' cars (Legacy SS, Spirit R/T, Tbird S/C for examples)
d000000000000d....stock?

the early '90's SER was quite dangerously softly sprung for spirited driving...i called mine my '$11,000 marshmallwo'....anything 'v6r' was likely to be broken most of the time.....the tbird sc was...a boat

the probe mx-3/6...now those were OK in stock form as i owned and/or drove them quite a lot.... as were the rest, afaik

but the SER was DANGEROUS......goddamned near killed me before i swapped springs and tires
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d000000000000d....stock?



the early '90's SER was quite dangerously softly sprung for spirited driving...i called mine my '$11,000 marshmallwo'....anything 'v6r' was likely to be broken most of the time.....the tbird sc was...a boat



the probe mx-3/6...now those were OK in stock form as i owned and/or drove them quite a lot.... as were the rest, afaik



but the SER was DANGEROUS......goddamned near killed me before i swapped springs and tires

He is also forgetting to add in inflation. $30k now was closer around 20k then. For just over $30k you buy a new Corvette in 1990.


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Old 09-22-2014, 02:57 PM   #25
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I'm not ready to say better, but also really good. I would also limit to...say.. 90-95ish.

My list would be:
MR2, 240SX, RX7 (only <30K in the early 90s), 5.0 Mustang (for the time), Sentra SER, Miata, Mx-3/6/Probe, Colt/Mirage Turbo, Corrado VR6, and many rare/special versions of 'normal' cars (Legacy SS, Spirit R/T, Tbird S/C for examples)

OBD2 and the japanese economy conspired to killed most of the fun until recently. (with a few exceptions, of course - '02+ WRX, EVO, Mazdaspeeds)

Todays cars have higher limits, come with warrantees, have emerging (and sometimes risky) mod markets, and cost $20K-$30K.

90s cars have well defined, well knowledged mod markets, cost fractions of new, don't come with a warrantee, but are just as much fun to drive as newer cars.

6 of one, half a dozen for the other. I enjoy them both.
1G DSM's with LSD's were very capable track cars with a few basic suspension mods.
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