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Old 01-22-2005, 04:26 PM   #51
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400 HP and powered by the sun...
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Old 01-22-2005, 04:40 PM   #52
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i guess no one really paid attention, they are testing a turbo H6 drivetrain....in a legacy
Maybe because that's a rumor which, as far as I can tell, you've just invented.
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Old 01-22-2005, 05:21 PM   #53
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Dealers are complete tards. Before I bought my 05 STI, I was looking at Evo's and went to a Mitsu dealer and asked if they had heard of the MR. They looked at me like I was on drugs and had never heard of it. A month later after I buy my STI, out comes the EVO MR. Dealers know nothing!
It really matters what dealer you go to. I remember when i was shopping for a new car, the mitsudealer had three 2003 evos on their lot for some time. After a few conversations with the salesman the guy said within 4 or 5 months they are releasing a MR edition with a 6speed and slightly more HP. When we went to the subaru dealership we asked for a test drive in a STI. I asked the salesman in the back of the car, whats this dccd setting thing and how does it work. "I don't know but just leave it on automatic". The mitsu guy was really nice, he admitted that the stock clutch sucks and gave us info on the upcomming MR.
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Old 01-22-2005, 05:59 PM   #54
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Maybe because that's a rumor which, as far as I can tell, you've just invented.
Ya just gotta love rumors.........
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Old 01-22-2005, 06:00 PM   #55
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Dealers are complete tards.
Truer words were never spoken.....
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Old 01-22-2005, 06:22 PM   #56
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Wrong! For example. The new ESX STi will sport 425hp be 50 state legal and still have the subaru factory warranty.
its not being sold by SOA/subaru/FHI

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Not true; the Outback passes all car emissions etc. standards.; it is only a "truck" because of some technicalities of ground clearance etc.
right but trucks has a lower standard than cars thus helping subaru meet their quota of clean cars

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then explain the legacy gt. So many people on this board spew talk out of their butts and act like they are experts.
outback and legacy are totaly differnt cars as far as the ntsb is concerned

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So many people on this board spew talk out of their butts and act like they are experts.
i couldn't agree more!- dam noobs

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they have the 400hp fq400 Evo in England
ha .. and your point is

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I dont think the WRX is a ULEV. in fact, I dont think any turbo models are.
the wrx is ULEV .. uppipe cat
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Old 01-22-2005, 07:08 PM   #57
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an h6 would be too much weight up front. and would traslate to no success in racing.

just look at how bad the rs6 is doing in speed gt.

i can see 400 hp as a reasonable goal. and i doubt the would raise the price more than ten thousand dollars, if they raised it that much though the interior better be nicer. imo.

i just wat to be able to beat the pants off any evo whne i get the new sti. well if i do. it could be dissapointment to me, we jsut dont know yet.

so shut up all you, and send an e-mail to soa asking to be let into the group of people deciding on the official design. then we could get somthing done
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Old 01-22-2005, 07:30 PM   #58
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Maybe because that's a rumor which, as far as I can tell, you've just invented.
i could have made it up you are right, im lame enough to do that just to try and be cool.

The reason you are skeptical is because you couldn't find a damn patent supporting it

actually i know someone in canada who saw these cars and rode in one. and i guess if he is lying, which there is no reason he would and he does know the right people to make this possible, then the joke is on me.

its good to keep constant skepticism Jon, good for you.

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Old 01-22-2005, 08:29 PM   #59
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I talked to guy to the dealer near me today and I got the most realistic answer yet. It's going to be a redesigned STi, with same engine and power. He also said the forester STi was coming as well.

I also viewed the B9 today. Bottom line, interior isn't bad, it's more ergonomic than it looks. Placing lights above that grill was the worst idea, then the bulbous back was the second worst. The underpowered engine was the third.

Sorry, back on topic.....
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Old 01-22-2005, 08:33 PM   #60
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only 400HP?

My dealer said it would have infinity HP!

and lazers for eyes!
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Old 01-22-2005, 08:45 PM   #61
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Nah, sounds to me like he's talking about the ESX STi, which is a joint project between Easy Street Motorsports and SPT. Only 40 of them however, and I doubt it's 06. But hey, maybe he's just pulling it out of his arse like any other sales man
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Old 01-22-2005, 08:47 PM   #62
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forrester STi H6 turbo

*cough*

Makes sence. Not for racing, so weight wont matter as much. Extra power will entice some folks due to towing increase. Plus it's a truck, so there's the emissions. (this is just random guessing though).

Plus the dealer would hear STi and think Impreza. and then tell you "Yep, 400hp STi".

Besides, if the engine code starts with 'ej'... well...
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Old 01-22-2005, 09:14 PM   #63
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Yes, but their drivetrains are identical along with the way their emissions systems are set up. Mechnically they're the same cars. I think the point he was getting at was if the Outback was declared a truck because of its emmissions problems, then the Legacy/GT would be having problems too, which it isn't.
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Old 01-22-2005, 10:46 PM   #64
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its not because of how dirty the oxt is, but how clean it is
-the outback is cleaner than it has to be
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Old 01-22-2005, 11:34 PM   #65
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right but trucks has a lower standard than cars thus helping subaru meet their quota of clean cars
Subaru would meet emissions standards even if all their vehicles were cars (not surprisingly since their "trucks" use the same engines etc.). This whole idea that the Outback was classifed as a truck so Subaru could pollute more seems to have been made up by some eco-loonies. Perhaps you are thinging of the CAFE (fule-economy) standards but even there Subaru does not have a problem.
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Old 01-22-2005, 11:46 PM   #66
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only 400HP?

My dealer said it would have infinity HP!

and lazers for eyes!
and then suddenly, the thread became worthwhile....
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Old 01-23-2005, 12:29 AM   #67
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i think rumors like this is from ppl who really like subaru and think that the evo FQ series is making them look bad. other ppl (evo fans) r telling these subaru fans that they have more hp and it is the fastest thing on wheels. now under these pressures, rumors or subaru retaliation and such spawned 400 hp STi's for 06.
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Old 01-23-2005, 12:08 PM   #68
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Subaru would meet emissions standards even if all their vehicles were cars (not surprisingly since their "trucks" use the same engines etc.). This whole idea that the Outback was classifed as a truck so Subaru could pollute more seems to have been made up by some eco-loonies. Perhaps you are thinging of the CAFE (fule-economy) standards but even there Subaru does not have a problem.
I read a few brief articles on this subject. What I took from it was... Subaru's avg. mpg for the whole line-up is horrible, in order for them to keep all these cars/drivetrains without developing a gas friendly eco-car would be to throw the outback in the "truck" category. For example GMC's avg mpg, I'm sure is horrible, but they have all trucks, so its basically excused. That is what I got out of the situation, I could have easily mis-read.
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Old 01-23-2005, 08:21 PM   #69
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All I know is that if the STi came w/ 400 hp @ $35k or less, it would get me past the racer/rally wing and make me pull the trigger. I've been waiting for an announcement on an STi Legacy for a while and I believe this rumor more than the possibilities of the Legacy (B7?) variant.

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Old 01-23-2005, 09:12 PM   #70
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All I know is that if the STi came w/ 400 hp @ $35k or less, it would get me past the racer/rally wing and make me pull the trigger. I've been waiting for an announcement on an STi Legacy for a while and I believe this rumor more than the possibilities of the Legacy (B7?) variant.

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That leaves $3k for Subaru to develope a 400HP powertrain, a drivetrain strong enough to be warrantied, and emmission equipment to make it legal in 50 states.
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Old 01-23-2005, 09:19 PM   #71
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All I know is that if the STi came w/ 400 hp @ $35k or less, it would get me past the racer/rally wing and make me pull the trigger. I've been waiting for an announcement on an STi Legacy for a while and I believe this rumor more than the possibilities of the Legacy (B7?) variant.

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If the wing is the only thing holding you back, thats a little silly. You'd have no trouble finding someone to do a trunk swap with and get a wingless STi. I'm swapping my wingless trunk with a local STi owner this coming weekend.
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Old 01-23-2005, 10:18 PM   #72
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If the wing is the only thing holding you back, thats a little silly. You'd have no trouble finding someone to do a trunk swap with and get a wingless STi. I'm swapping my wingless trunk with a local STi owner this coming weekend.

My point was more that I was waiting on the Legacy, but yes, I get your point. As to the $2-3k price difference, I guess I could see MSRP at around $37-39, and maybe wait a year or two and hope for something more like $35-36k. Wishful thinking maybe.

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edit: Fitsmall.com has STi's for $31,083 right now, so there's a couple thousand more for drivetrain development.

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Old 01-24-2005, 09:16 AM   #73
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i hear it will have all wheel drive

The spare too! My dealer says the Japanese are geniuses at figuring this kind of stuff out.



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Old 01-24-2005, 10:55 AM   #74
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Did the original poster even specify that his insider was talking about the Impreza, or did everyone just assume so?
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Old 01-24-2005, 11:11 AM   #75
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Did the original poster even specify that his insider was talking about the Impreza, or did everyone just assume so?
Interesting point...
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