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Old 02-18-2010, 09:14 PM   #1026
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As well, the NY Auto Show in April will preview the 2011 Subaru line (WRX & STI).
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Old 02-18-2010, 10:52 PM   #1027
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^The style of what?
Of the Jetta!





Dude, the STi silly!!!
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Old 02-18-2010, 11:44 PM   #1028
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Dude, the STi silly!!!
What does "04/05 style" mean? As in the headlights?
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Old 02-18-2010, 11:49 PM   #1029
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Of the Jetta!





Dude, the STi silly!!!
Conversation varied between Tribeca (not that there was an 04-05 model), the coupe, & the STI sedan, and there was no quote (or caret) so wasn't sure which one you were talking about.

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Old 02-19-2010, 02:00 AM   #1030
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What does "04/05 style" mean? As in the headlights?
as in BODY (all inc. lights) is what I hear.
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Old 02-19-2010, 08:09 AM   #1031
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as in BODY (all inc. lights) is what I hear.
Why would they go back to an outdated look? The current STI looks great it just needs a trunk.

I guess we'll have to wait till NYIAS in April.
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Old 02-19-2010, 12:39 PM   #1032
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I guess they are going back to a sedan that everyone liked.

And going to an outdated style? Guess that didn't work for the Beetle, Mustang, Challenger, and now the Camaro? People like "retro" so a 04-05 or even an 06-07 with some minor tweaks would be welcomed!
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Old 02-21-2010, 05:20 PM   #1033
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I guess they are going back to a sedan that everyone liked.

And going to an outdated style? Guess that didn't work for the Beetle, Mustang, Challenger, and now the Camaro? People like "retro" so a 04-05 or even an 06-07 with some minor tweaks would be welcomed!
Not really sure if a 6 year old style can be called retro. The idea of bring back a 40 year old style is to make old people nostalgic.

I miss my 05 but don't see them bringing back the peanut blobeye. I'd assume a larger verticle headlight ala outback and legacy.
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:30 AM   #1034
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my dealer in southbay subaru said they will have a subaru rally in sept 2010.
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:50 AM   #1035
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everything I've read about the STi coupe coming out is saying it'll be a RWD model. (Maybe I just misread it and the Toyota will be RWD..)

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Old 02-22-2010, 12:09 PM   #1036
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I'll bet it stays a hatch and will look nothing like an '04 - '05. Stating that people like retro is true. Retro usually means a few more years than 5 or 6. I also think the retro thing is mainly an American thing. I can't think of any retro Japanese cars. Germany had the beetle and what else?
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:55 PM   #1037
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We know it's gonna be a sedan. That has been confirmed numerous times. The only question is what the facelift looks like. We'll find out in April.
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I'll bet it stays a hatch and will look nothing like an '04 - '05. Stating that people like retro is true. Retro usually means a few more years than 5 or 6. I also think the retro thing is mainly an American thing. I can't think of any retro Japanese cars. Germany had the beetle and what else?
There's also Mini Cooper, Fiat 500...

Subaru's R1 was supposed to be a throwback to the 360, but that's a bit of a stretch.
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Old 02-23-2010, 05:25 AM   #1039
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ha I remember the Japanese commercials on that car.
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Old 02-23-2010, 08:10 PM   #1041
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I am guessing/hoping that it looks a little somthing like this
I agree. I think that is very close to the new nose, or at least this refresh will get us one step closer to that new corporate face.
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Old 03-03-2010, 12:47 PM   #1042
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Guess what, Prius, sells pretty well, regardless of the premium associated with it (don't start a quality debate right now).
Okay, now we're talking hybrid...

We are getting hybrid Foresters within the next 18 months. It isn't your typical hybrid, though. Much less expensive, much safer, more environmentally friendly, much less expensive. (making a point)

We are looking at an electric-assist system with 2 motors- 1 in front, and 1 in back. Think of it like a GE locomotive. The engines run at a constant speed and the transmission turns at whatever speed is necessary at the time. The extra energy is stored in a smaller battery pack and realeased when it is necessary. Not news, right? Well the Subaru system will be running a lower voltage, making it much safer than the Prius. This system will also make it much less expensive. In combination with a CVT (enabling the engine to run a constant speed), it's possible to see highway mileage for a Forester in the upper 30s and city in the upper 20s. Reasonable for a slight increase in price. It's on it's way.

Cost justification? $3.25 regular gas is supposed to be the break-even point.
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Old 03-29-2010, 04:39 PM   #1043
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• Because of the extremely poor dollar/yen relationship, expect fewer Japanese Subarus being imported from Japan for the 20ll model year. Word has it that they're losing money on Imprezas, and making very little on Foresters.

• The deal to build Camrys in the Indiana factory ends fairly soon. Expect SOA to ask that Imprezas and Foresters replace that Camry production, probably for the 2012 model year.

• Legacy GT and Forester XT, which are really slow sellers, could be axed.

• 2011 H6 is expected to continue with the 5EAT.

• Scarcity of H6 models likely to continue, as they just can't build that engine fast enough. Demand for that engine has doubled (if not more), over previous comparable model.

• Impreza and Forester should get CVT for 2012 model year.

• Expect very few STIs for 2011 model year because of the dollar/yen situation.

• He didn't expect much of, if any, power bump for the 2011 STI.

• Tribeca lives for MY 2011, but with few if any upgrades. BTW, Russia is biggest Tribeca market!

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Damn! 2012, so then nothing on the economy front for the New York auto show. going to be all performance related. oh well
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First off, I don't disagree with the validity of Bob's post. Thanks for bringing it forward... but let's explore the consequence, in terms of Subaru's market position.

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• Because of the extremely poor dollar/yen relationship, expect fewer Japanese Subarus being imported from Japan for the 20ll model year. Word has it that they're losing money on Imprezas, and making very little on Foresters.

• The deal to build Camrys in the Indiana factory ends fairly soon. Expect SOA to ask that Imprezas and Foresters replace that Camry production, probably for the 2012 model year.
Yippee... SOA is going to get their paws into diluting the Impreza and Forester, like they already do with Legacy/Outback.

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• Legacy GT and Forester XT, which are really slow sellers, could be axed.
Wouldn't surprise me... they are setting them up to fail, each in their own way. Legacy GT is very scarce, and manual only, with less equipment, and less per dollar value than the previous GT/Spec.B

FXT conversely has NO manual, and an old 4-speed auto, and thus the lower power level of the Impreza GT. Wouldn't surprise me if all three get axed.

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• 2011 H6 is expected to continue with the 5EAT.
Not really a surprise, but unfortunate. That means no more power for the H6. Nothing Subaru has ever put in front of the 5EAT has had more than about 260 lb.ft. of torque. A trend, and perhaps an un-written rule.

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• Scarcity of H6 models likely to continue, as they just can't build that engine fast enough. Demand for that engine has doubled (if not more), over previous comparable model.
That deserves a sarcastic use of a Gomer Pyle quote... "Su-prise, su-prize, su-prize, suprize!"

As of now, current NA models still don't (yet) have variable valve timing and are kind of anemic, and get saddled with a CVT or 4EAT, not 5 or 6 speed autos, and barely any manuals... Turbo models of Forester and Legacy get rare, Outback XT is already axed... and they wonder why H6 gets popular all of the sudden...

They planned to shift focus to the NA H4 and the H6 on the new Legacy and Outback... and now they can't even follow through with proper inventory levels.

Look forward to that SOA-managed Impreza and Forester, folks!

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• Impreza and Forester should get CVT for 2012 model year.
No surprise, again.

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• Expect very few STIs for 2011 model year because of the dollar/yen situation.
So... they can't build enough cars in Indiana, and can't import enough cars from Japan... how do they plan on selling cars if they don't have enough?

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• He didn't expect much of, if any, power bump for the 2011 STI.

• Tribeca lives for MY 2011, but with few if any upgrades. BTW, Russia is biggest Tribeca market!

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Interesting stuff. Again, just responding to it, not challenging it's voracity. Thanks for bringing the stuff forward, Bob.

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Damn! 2012, so then nothing on the economy front for the New York auto show. going to be all performance related. oh well
Not surprised by that news, as he told me (some time ago) that Subaru wants to keep the CVT a Legacy/Outback exclusive for 2 model years.

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Damn! 2012, so then nothing on the economy front for the New York auto show. going to be all performance related. oh well
Didn't they just introduce that new NA flat 4 with updated tech onboard?

If not for economy, what else is that for?

The H6 still exists. The Turbo 4 is possibly being wound down to fewer model options (possibly leaving WRX and STI as the only remaining turbos, as suggested...)

The new H4 will probably improve both base power figures, and base economy figures for the models it is introduced into.
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Hip To Be Square - do you think SOA manages the US built products and FHI manages the Japanese built products...?
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Hip To Be Square - do you think SOA manages the US built products and FHI manages the Japanese built products...?
Please,

PLEASE

explain to me how that is not the case, considering the past 6 model years of differences between the US built Legacy, and the Japanese-built Rest-of-world options...

Differences that DO NOT EXIST between US market Imprezas and Foresters, and their ROW versions, as ALL of them are built in the Japanese facilities, together.

From anything between the availability of Spec B models for both the GT turbo and the 3.0R models on the BL/BP generations, to the availability of McIntosh stereo upgrades, A better interior upgrade mid-cycle for those cars, S402, Blitzen, WR Limited, and all the other special editions that we never saw... Sedan rear wiper, differing bumper cover graphics for differing trim lines... An accessory catalog in Japan that pretty much didn't exist for the US model...

hell, even the fact that 08-09 Legacy sedan tail lights DON'T LOOK RIGHT in the US market, but DO in Japanese-built Legacys... JDM, the tail light graphic meets the trunk panel seam. US built Legacys have the same bulb configuration, a separate reflector in the rear bumper cover, and the line in the tail lights DOESN'T match the trunk seam, and looks like an amateur designer didn't double check the dimensions for something so simple.

Who changed that, and screwed it up, compared to it being correct out of Japan? why are they not just exactly the same part, since the US DOT reflector is separate, and the bulb configuration was no longer different between the two versions.

Explain, PLEASE, I've been wanting an explanation... why the USDM Legacy is so close, yet SO FAR from the JDM model, and obviously, deliberately on purpose.

I am non-plussed with the entire '10 Legacy platform, but there are deliberate differences there, as well.

If SOA didn't drop that ball, who did, and why?

I have spent 6 years wondering why JDM got various things for Legacy that were completely unavailable to me as a US Subaru driver.

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Essentially, FHI/SOA/SIA - we are all the same company - and SOA as the US reps of that company has an equal say in all of the product line that comes Stateside - where each one is built is irrelevant in the main, apart from some logistical and regulation factors.

And it's pretty easy to build different versions of products for different markets, out of one plant, if you want/need to. The planning team, which included people from here and there, felt that the difference between the US Legacy and Japan Legcy were driven by market demands/needs. You might not agree.
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