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Old 04-20-2005, 04:40 PM   #1
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I bought one of these off eBay and gained 85 HP and I now get 45 mph.

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Old 04-20-2005, 05:40 PM   #2
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I bought one of these off eBay and gained 85 HP and I now get 45 mph.

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Old 04-20-2005, 06:58 PM   #3
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HAHAHA!!! Remind me to get one before time runs out...
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Old 04-20-2005, 08:37 PM   #4
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THat thing would sound pretty impressive stuck in the compressor of the turbo! kinda like cards in the spokes of your bike but alot faster!
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Old 04-20-2005, 09:54 PM   #5
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Okay,

Don't laugh, but there was a mechanic at the shop I use (no longer there) who swore to me that this thing actually did some good in his car. I never got to the actual numbers however.

I am thinking it would be cool to dyno one and see if it really does anything. I will buy one if someone can hook me up with a deal on a dyno session.

I need to know! ;-)

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Old 04-20-2005, 10:39 PM   #6
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Ok I will try it. mjalex007, where did you install it? before the IC I presume?
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Old 04-21-2005, 01:34 AM   #7
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Old 04-21-2005, 08:39 AM   #8
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Old 04-21-2005, 09:24 AM   #9
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mechanic at the shop I use (no longer there)

Gee, I wonder why he is no longer there...
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Old 04-21-2005, 10:11 AM   #10
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Ok I will try it. mjalex007, where did you install it? before the IC I presume?
Yes, I installed it before the IC, but I was worried about generating more heat than the IC could handle, so I keep a bag of ice on the IC now. With some fine tuning, I could probably pick up another 10 ponies and maybe 3-4 more mpg.
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Old 04-21-2005, 11:50 AM   #11
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Yes, I installed it before the IC, but I was worried about generating more heat than the IC could handle, so I keep a bag of ice on the IC now. With some fine tuning, I could probably pick up another 10 ponies and maybe 3-4 more mpg.
OK this is going a little to far PLease stop before some one goews out and get's this thing..



PS try Dry ice on the IC your hp will go up even higherand there is no water dripping ..
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Old 04-21-2005, 12:28 PM   #12
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mechanic at the shop I use (no longer there)

Gee, I wonder why he is no longer there...
He moved to Colorado...hmmmm...what does THAT tell you?!
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Old 04-21-2005, 02:38 PM   #13
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I am going to admit to all of you that I did buy one of those things off of E-bay. I put it on my Baja and drove it for a few days and I can tell you this right now, don't waste your time and money. I had to try it...
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Old 04-21-2005, 07:43 PM   #14
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no way, hey guys these things really do work... *trying to stifle laughter*
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Old 04-21-2005, 10:15 PM   #15
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I saw one of these the other day when I was down in Hollywood on Sunset. It was on display at the Museum of Gay. I can honestly say there aren't gay enough words to describe how gay that thing really is. It doesn't even qualify for bling.

(And Lord, I do want to apologize for misusing the word "gay" and offending anyone who may be, but they really need to blow that thing up, shred the blueprints, and quit adding extra weight and blocking air flow!)
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Old 04-22-2005, 03:01 PM   #16
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Could any effect depend on the sophisitication of your intake system to begin with? Just a thought. I was just talking to a guy with a Saturn who said he feels it does him some good. Not much in the mpg dept., but he feels a seat of the pants difference, although nowhere near the 35 horses touted in the ads.

I am gonna try on out for ****s and giggles. What's thirty bucks against learning another life lesson? ;-) I will let you know what happens. (I can guess what's coming my way with that admission, just give me time to get my flame retardant underwear on before you guys light me up!)


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Old 04-23-2005, 04:29 PM   #17
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You're welcome, I just couldn't help myself

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Old 05-03-2005, 05:31 PM   #18
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Okay,

Like the old saying goes, "Curiosity killed the cat", so I am ready for what comes.

I got curious and bought one of these things. It finally arrived after two weeks and so I slapped it into the throttle body.

Guess what? It actually does something! Now mind you I am not saying it did alot, but I would say subjectively that it feels like what I got when I changed over to a Perrin pulley. I notice it off the line and at low rpms. I guess that makes sense, and for me that is where the engine is the most lacking.

Just filled up with gas and reset the trip mileage, so maybe at the end of the week I will be able to tell whether or not the mileage has changed in any way.

What I really would like is for someone in N. Virginia to hook me up with a cheap dyno session, to lay this whole mystery to rest once and for all. Any takers?

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Old 05-03-2005, 06:06 PM   #19
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Hey PGV,

Set up a paypal account and get donations. If you will post results plots with A/F measurements, I'd send in $10.
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Old 05-03-2005, 06:44 PM   #20
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Good idea, but I'm not that desperate. I just thought I might find someone who could swing me a deal to get it done.

I would definitately post the results. I am all about educatiing the people.
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Old 05-03-2005, 08:43 PM   #21
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pvg, I am in the same place as you. I just got mine yesterday and I have knoticed the same thing on mine. I haven't done a full tank yet, but will have a couple done by the end of the week i bet. But I have knoticed a bit. I instlled mine just after the bend after the air box. Is that the same place that you installed yours?
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Old 05-03-2005, 10:40 PM   #22
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For what I see (I am and BSME major) about that piece, it just would create more Vortexes in the Karman Vortex streets (LOL). Seriouly the piece will create more vortexes (turbulent flow) and that, I am guessing now, will mix the AIR and GAS better so once they get in the Chamber, a better combustion will occur. But dont you think that when they engineered the engine they thought of all that, thats why intake manifolds have bends etc to create a turbulent flow and mix the gas and somehow the rough surfaces. I am almost 100% sure its not going to give any more HP, if so more efficiency.

And I am drinking ICE beer so if anyone else spots an error let me know.
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Old 05-04-2005, 09:23 AM   #23
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I don't vouch for this thing at all. All I am doing is relaying my subjective response to it.

As for engineering excellence from the factory, there are many considerations that go into a final design decision. If Subaru was thinking only about burn efficiency and optimal air flow, their cars would come from the factory with stainless equal length headers, rather than the clunky ones that are actually on there. Where's the hi-flow cat? Oops, not there. Wheres the fat, smooth intake pipe. Ooops, missing again.

My point being, there is always room for improvement.

As I said, if anyone in NVA has a contact for a dyno that would be willing to cut a deal for the sake of research, I am interested in doing it, to find out if this thing is worth a damn. Any takers?

Perry

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For what I see (I am and BSME major) about that piece, it just would create more Vortexes in the Karman Vortex streets (LOL). Seriouly the piece will create more vortexes (turbulent flow) and that, I am guessing now, will mix the AIR and GAS better so once they get in the Chamber, a better combustion will occur. But dont you think that when they engineered the engine they thought of all that, thats why intake manifolds have bends etc to create a turbulent flow and mix the gas and somehow the rough surfaces. I am almost 100% sure its not going to give any more HP, if so more efficiency.

And I am drinking ICE beer so if anyone else spots an error let me know.
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Old 05-04-2005, 09:45 AM   #24
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Like I said before........more fuel efficiency, thats it, since all its going to do its better atomizaton of the fuel. When you want more HP you need to dump more fuel and more air into a chamber give it higher compression and walllahhh. This thing its not giving you more air like it says in the damn page on ebay. The fuel atomization it true, but I doubt it will give you more than a few HP and that damn page says 15% increase.

PS I never said that the cars specially and an engine thats going to be in a car for less than 30K its going to be engineered to have the greatest fuel efficiency and performance, but engineers do think about how to make the engine efficient enough to put it out in the market. Subaru its not a Ferreri where they do make everything count.
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Old 05-04-2005, 12:38 PM   #25
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I am not claiming huge hp gains. I said it was akin to adding a Perrin pulley to the stock engine. That's not a huge gain either, but noticable, and this little piece of metal is a lot cheaper than that one was.

Also, increasing efficiency will increase hp, all else being equal. If you increase efficiency, you are extracting more of the potential power from the fuel, increasing the amount of work that can be done on the same amount of gas. That means more hp and torque. I agree that it is not 15 percent, but like I said before, every little bit helps. If it does anything good for the mileage, so much the better. I will keep you posted.

This is why I need a dyno of my very own! ;-)
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