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Old 04-24-2005, 11:52 PM   #1
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Any of you guys in Canada convert your headlights to HIDs yet (the US-spec HIDs)?

Just wondering what's involved in the conversion and if it's possible to also add the manual leveler.

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Old 04-25-2005, 12:13 AM   #2
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Yup, you can do it. You can actually order everything from your local Subaru dealer (manual adjust dial required) but last time I priced it out it was $2300.

The manual adjust dial sits next to you IC spray button.

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Old 04-25-2005, 12:18 AM   #3
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YIKES!!!!
$2300 is about $1300 too much!
Any way to buy used ones from the US and convert?
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Old 04-25-2005, 03:12 AM   #4
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Ask "benyl."
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Old 04-25-2005, 06:02 AM   #5
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You can get very good quality HIDs 6000K for around $380 Canadian.

$600 for Phillips HIDs.

I know a bunch of guys who can get them.
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Old 04-25-2005, 09:04 AM   #6
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You can get very good quality HIDs 6000K for around $380 Canadian.

$600 for Phillips HIDs.

I know a bunch of guys who can get them.
Do you mean "aftermarket" HIDs that have the external balast?

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Old 04-25-2005, 10:47 AM   #7
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The kicker isn't the bulbs, it's the housing. I.e most of the improvements in standard car lighting hasn't come from the bulbs but has come from vast improvements in how the light is reflected onto the road.

There are some pretty strong views on this and the guys that have already dropped the cash on HID kits will vehemently defend their choice. However, I've talked to some light vendors and they all say it has to do with the housings.

HID "kits" that use your stock housing will give you a HID look, but without much of an increase in effective lighting. I.e. it'll look brighter in front of your car but you'll be less likely to see the deer in the ditch 100 yards down the road.

Of course, go with what you like, but if you take your lighting seriously you may want to wait for more used lights to become available out of the US. I know that's what I'm doing.

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Old 04-25-2005, 11:58 AM   #8
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For about $700-$800US, you can have the Hella Bi-xenons installed in your stock housing. Both low/High beams are HID.



I bought the setup from them but will install myself.

They are at: http://ww.hidtech.com
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Old 04-25-2005, 01:16 PM   #9
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So, does that mean you remove the stock housing and run HID reflectors and bulbs? If so then that would be a pretty good way to go.

Do you know if they come with a level adjustment?

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Old 04-25-2005, 01:45 PM   #10
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Yes that would be nice to find out also... and a level adjustment would be handy too!
Thanks guys!
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Old 04-25-2005, 04:07 PM   #11
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So if I buy 2 USDM factory HID's... can I just plug them into my Canadian STi?
I see several on ebay so wondering if I should bid or not.
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Old 04-25-2005, 06:25 PM   #12
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You have to guy the USDM housings, ballasts and levelling swtich. Just give your local Subie dealer a call and ask the parts guys for a quote, its an easy way to get all the part numbers you need (I think its 5 different parts). Then just make sure the auctions are for all the correct parts.

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Old 04-25-2005, 07:02 PM   #13
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So I guess if the lights I found themselves are complete... that would take care of the housing and ballasts. The levelling switch I will have to call the dealer for the PN... but what about the wire to connect that switch to whatever it connects to? lol
I just have no clue what is between the lights themselves and the switch
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Old 04-26-2005, 06:33 PM   #14
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Yup, you can do it. You can actually order everything from your local Subaru dealer (manual adjust dial required) but last time I priced it out it was $2300.

The manual adjust dial sits next to you IC spray button.

-J
What dealer did you call if you don't mind me asking? I just called the local dealers here in Ottawa and couldn't really get a good answer from any of them. One dealer found the lights themselves - but they cost between $1282 and $1400 CDN EACH!!!! Reason for the difference... is because the lights are different for 2004 STi's made after March.
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What dealer did you call if you don't mind me asking? I just called the local dealers here in Ottawa and couldn't really get a good answer from any of them. One dealer found the lights themselves - but they cost between $1282 and $1400 CDN EACH!!!! Reason for the difference... is because the lights are different for 2004 STi's made after March.
I called Rally Subaru in Edmonton. (Rally Subaru on the boards)

-J
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Old 04-26-2005, 06:51 PM   #16
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Cool thanks!

If I manage to piece together everything I need and get them working I am definately going to make a guide for it and post it up for others
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Old 04-29-2005, 03:22 PM   #17
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If I manage to piece together everything I need and get them working I am definately going to make a guide for it and post it up for others
Please do. I HATE my stock set-up and am looking for alternatives, but FHI HID's are expen$$ive.
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Old 04-29-2005, 08:54 PM   #18
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Why don't you guys let HIDTECH do a conversion for you? You get Hella projectors, Balasts and Phillips bulbs. Then you have high and low beam HID. It costs less as well. IF you do it yourself, it will be about $550US ($700cdn for a pair). I think they charge about $300US to do it for you.
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Old 04-29-2005, 11:21 PM   #19
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Why don't you guys let HIDTECH do a conversion for you? You get Hella projectors, Balasts and Phillips bulbs. Then you have high and low beam HID. It costs less as well. IF you do it yourself, it will be about $550US ($700cdn for a pair). I think they charge about $300US to do it for you.
How hard is it to do the work yourself? Also... how well does the non-HID housing reflect the Hella HIDs?

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Old 04-30-2005, 01:52 AM   #20
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I'd say about 5-8 hrs. The non-hid housing doesn't reflect any HID. The package includes an HID Bi-xenon projector you simply mount in the existing reflector. The HID bulb sits in the projector so the light goes through proper HID optics. The Hella Bixenon projectors are found in Audi A6. They are one of the best ones out there.

The kit includes:

2 Hella (European Spec) Bi-Xenon projectors. European Spec has the best cutoff.

2 Hella Generation 3 balasts. (Balast and Igniter in one unit)

2 Phillips 4300K white D2S HID bulbs.

The only other thing you would need is the shrouds. (The nice looking bezels that clip onto the projectors to look OEM)

Then you may need to use a relay for hooking up the ballast directly to the battery and using your light wires to trigger the relay, and another relay for the Long Beam Solenoid. (Yes, the Hella projectors have a solenoid with an arm that changes teh beam patters from low to high)

Ahh, one more thing..l You can still adjust the beam hight. You simply use the adjuster screw of the halogen reflector. This works because you would mount the projector in the reflector so when you adjust the reflector, the projector would adjust with it.

Check out this thread for info on the stuff I got.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=748444
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Old 04-30-2005, 11:29 AM   #21
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Ohhh ok so there isn't a seperate high beam HID - just the one that adjusts from low-high.

So where did you mount the balasts on yours?
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Old 04-30-2005, 11:40 AM   #22
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I haven't mounted it yet, but you can use the "Industrial Strenght" velcro and stick it wherever there is space. The cable from the Ballast to the socket is about 8 inches long.

You can use your other beam (low beam reflector) and wire it for DRL's.
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Zuczek: So, you have it all waiting to be installed? Once you get the hang of it I might have to get me some parts and bribe you with beer and pizza.

-J
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